Im 28 shes 21. She has a daughter from a previous relationship who Ive met a bunch of times and she says she never introduced any other guys to ever. Met her entire family over the holidays shes met mine.. Some background on us..

Me.. I was a virgin before her and have always been completely terrible with girls. Every day of my life before her was complete misery and then she came in to my life out of nowhere and we hit it off. Were both kind of nerdy. Im not fat or look it but not in shape either. Not really tough at all. We have all kinds of similiar obscure interests. The sex isnt the greatest she wants it really rough borderline abusive and Im not into it. My parents really messed me up in the head growing up and I am bipolar and depressed a lot. Noone ever really liked me growing up and right now I have 2 best friends and 2 other good friends. I have a really good job and my own place and shit. I was very controlling and jealous the whole relationship. I know exactly what I did wrong the whole time and exactly how I need to act right now but she wont give me one more chance. I know I need to man up, get in shape, not be jealous, clingy, be laid back and relaxed and this is who I am going to be from now on but its too late??

Her.. She was always very promiscuous and has done stuff like bang people for money. She will approach a guy and pretty much say if she wants to fuck or not. She cheated on me a few times. She doesnt wanna work. She does drugs. Shes really pretty, amazing body really small and petite, beautiful face.. I know all of this is going to make everyone say to just get away but I dont care. I never connected like this to anyone in my life and I cant not wake up next to her anymore. Every single day of my life was basically misery and lonliness every day and then she came along and made it all worth it. I need her back no matter what I dont care what she does on the side I just want to be in her life.

Weve had bad fights before and usually just break up for a day or two but this time she says shes serious and I think she is. I know I need to no contact to start which is what Im doing but I dont want her to find someone else..

Dude, she sounds kinda broken. She's cheated on you a few times, she doesn't wanna work, she does drugs and she's banged people for money?!

Do you not have any self respect? This girl is not good for you. I know it's tough but sometimes the person you want the most is the person who you shouldn't be with.

Do you really want to settle with this girl? She has cheated on you, that is unforgivable and you should be glad to see the back of her. You're nice, comfortable and convenient so she doesn't wanna lose that but wants to bang other guys as she sees fit.

yes i cant even breathe when i think about her i just want to hold her again i dont care what she does i didnt have anyone before her and im not waiting another 30 years for someone else to come along

You're the most desperate guy on the planet, sad to say. The only way you could be more desperate was if she had AIDS and you still wanted her. Cheater, with a kid, who isn't employed who does drugs and is a prostitute. Wow. Offer her money for a relationship.

she makes me happy...

Dude, grow some fucking balls!

Yeah, you sucked with women, you met the first person you came along and latched on to her like a lovesick limpet and as such are completely blind to her failings as only someone with zero previous success with women can be.

You have found this forum just in time, you need to work on yourself, your limiting beliefs and your attitude. You won't have to wait thirty years.

This forum is full of guys who at some point sucked with women, thats like the point of this website.

I was a virgin till almost twenty years old, hadn't even kissed anyone until nineteen either. I was hopeless, I couldn't speak to women, I clammed up, had crippling shyness and felt like an absolute worthless loser. Then I met someone, latched on, got my heart broken and here I am.

I'm 23 and have slept with fifteen women, I can comfortable select who I date. Yeah, I have a ton of issues in relationships and when feelings get involved I'm far from James Bond, but my life has been completely changed by this community and I still have a long way to go.

You need this forum.

where would i even start.. ive read all this stuff and its not a magic pill..

Personally I recommend The Mystery Method, disregarding the routines etc.

Work on yourself though, start exercising, get in shape, take up Yoga, go to salsa classes and fill your life with fun activities. Revamp your wardrobe, get some male grooming products.

Then just get out there and start talking to women, force yourself, even if its just asking them for directions. That's how I started.

this isn't just about making yourself better with girls. take a grip on your life dude, and this isn't the right place for you. i'm sorry to say, but it sounds like you have some personal issues to figure out, and an internet forum where nobody knows anyone personally isn't the best bet. talk to some friends, family, therapist. get some real advice and real help. if you have your shit straight and then just need help with girls.. come on back buddy.

Dude if you haven't got the message already let me break it you - you are not in a relationship with her.

"She was always very promiscuous" - you are just part of that promiscuity!

"She doesnt wanna work. She does drugs" - "I have a really good job and my own place and shit" - see something wrong here on lifestyle choices

"The sex isn't the greatest she wants it really rough borderline abusive and Im not into it" - she has probably suffered neglect as a child or has been abused. Now with your own problems it is natural for you to sympathies with her but she ain't your fucking responsibility. YOU ARE YOUR OWN responsibility!!!

and until you take your own responsibility you will not find someone who will respect you for who you are.

The reason why she has made you feel all wonderful when your with her is because you haven't had any relationships before and you are emotionally attached to her by the fact she was your first one. She probably does this to all guys she is with and then moves on when the person wants some commitment.

Your right there is no magic pill but start of somewhere at least. Anyone who gives you attention you will feel emotionally attached to them however this is just because of your background. It isn't easy to get over what you have experienced in life so far but you should know that a lot of guys have these issues and a lot of guys overcome these over time.

Start off by setting yourself goals on who you want to be as a person, write it down if you have to. Start taking baby steps toward these goals by reminding yourself daily on your goals and imagine yourself as that person. Do things that add value to yourself, some of the listed ideas are great and also are good way of meeting different people.

Time help if you fill your life with positive activities but it can hinder you if you fill it with negative thoughts.

i am taking responsibility for my life now.. been working out every day since she left, promised myself im not gonna take shit from anyone, be insecure, etc.. i cant live this life anymore..

but back to her.. i still want her back.. she has so much potential but i think she is just young and wants to have fun right now and i dont want her to fall for someone else while im getting my shit together.. if i no contact her think she is the type to eventually hit me up?

There is an old fable about a Scorpion and a Frog. Stood on the river bed, the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown.

The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion stings the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion says "bacause it is in my nature".

No matter what you think, people with certain tendancies aren't going to change.

She is always going to cheat and mug you off. This is because you have no respect fo ryourself and keep running back. She knows she can get away with it.

You don't need to be on a PUA board, you need to be in a councellors office.

i dont care.. i just want her back in my life..

Please do not feed the troll.

Also, she is now his ex...

2. Posts about your ex-girlfriend will result in a ban.

im not a troll and shes not my ex yet.. we always made up before this time she seems really serious though.. said she doesnt get nothing out of hanging out with me, doesnt love me anymore.. how do i get that back??