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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:22 pm 
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Hi,

I went out with this HB for 1+ year. Had amazing sex morning and night for this time. She started a new job and because of this, I saw her less and ironically we had less sex. I spoke to her and said I'd felt single for a few weeks (when she'd been so busy, I didn't mention sex). She started to cry and said that one of the reasons she felt so tired was us having sex morning and night. I said, I didn't realise she felt like that.

Even though I felt we had been having less sex anyway, I said words to the effect that it should be a compromise. She said, are you sure, you're not going to trade me in for someone younger? I said no, of course not. She was pleased and said afterwards, what have I done to deserve you? We had sex that night and went to sleep.

Then sex practically stopped and I got really sexually frustrated. She seemed to lose respect for me in some way.

My question is, how could I have handled this in a more alpha way? What aspects / theories of the game should I be reading up on? When sex starts to dwindle, how can we manage it. I had the feeling after the incident that she wanted me to 'man up' and say that I wanted more sex, etc. which was ironically the opposite to what she'd been saying...

I get the feeling should have nipped it in the bud with some alpha statement. I've read that girls like to be told whats expected of them. PS- I do not expect sex every morning & night I know this is impractical and impossible.

Thanks for your advice!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:56 pm 
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i don't know, but i sure as hell will be following this thread.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:23 am 
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^same here!


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You guys connect physically, but since she's been so occupied with work, how have you guys managed to connect emotionally?

Often sex suffers as a result of people no longer feeling involved in each others lives. Hows' the quality of your interaction been since she became more immersed with work? If she feels that all that's holding your relationship together is sex, than perhaps she feels that's all she has to offer and therefore can be replaced easily. You might want to look into Dr. Gottman's Love Maps; you may find this video helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zCUX5YH7QE (also explains in brief the concept of Love Maps). If this is the case, then you'd want to work on being more involved in each other's lives outside of the bedroom.

The perception of her losing respect for you may be more a loss in her faith in the relationship.

If your emotional bond is strong, that should quail any doubts she may be having towards the relationship.


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I think what Papi was saying was right on the ball. There is a lack of an emotional connection and social connection. I think you should surprise her, create more lust in the relationship. You state she comes home fairly tired, why don't you prepare a romantic meal, draw her up a bath, and then do the whole cliche rose pedals on bed. Set the mood, dim the lights, candles out, some nice wine, and make her calm. Create mini-dates through out the week. They don't have to be huge or anything, but she clearly is stressful and needs something else to think about. Show your alpha by taking the initiative to create these mini-dates and lead the date. Take her ice skating, grab hot cocoa, and then thats it. Say you need to buy new clothing and would love her opinion.

What you need in brevity is to rekindle that spark. Create some sexual presence in the relationship, pretend its high school again and do what you did then. Cliche things work for girls, look at romantic comedies, they take that shit seriously. I dont care if she works 108hrs a week, pretends to not care about love and such, every girl wants to be taken care of, wine and dined and such.

Sometimes you got to work for things you care about

Best of luck and please keep us informed
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Then sex practically stopped and I got really sexually frustrated. She seemed to lose respect for me in some way.


Ryan
Just wondering...how did you act on your frustration?


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Sex Morning and night 7 days a week?
Very possible her cooch is hurting. If she's in pain she's going try to avoid sex but she's probably not going to tell you thats the reason why.

If she expects everytime she sees you're only wanting sex she's going to be more distant and feel like thats all she's worth to you.
Try sex every other day for a bit

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You relationship lacks passion.

At the onset of a romantic relationship, the girl is enamored by the guy's charm. To her, he is a perfect distillation of testosterone. As time passes, they fall into routines, lose the competitive anxiety that fueled the sexual tension in their relationship, and grow bored of each other. This is inevitable, it's just a part of being human. No one will ever be in a relationship where they are continuously at the peak of their happiness.

I recommend the following changes:

(a) Restore competitive anxiety. If a girl KNOWS that she is the ONLY source of pussy you have access to, she loses the motivation to use secks as a precursor for attention. Women use secks to get relationships, Men use relationships to get secks. The moment this dynamic becomes distorted and you begin to remain COMPLICIT with her withholding secks, your relationship starts to dry up. No matter how "unethical" people describe it as, jealousy is the single strongest emotion in a relationship, the greatest igniter of passions. Remain immune to it yourself while injecting it in calculated doses to her.

(b) Judge a girl by her actions, not her words. If she's giving you less attention and not having as much secks, she is losing interest. It doesn't matter if she says "I don't deserve you" or "I'm so pleased that you're not like other guys." FOCUS ONLY ON INTEREST LEVEL. Cut all the ego assuaging bullshit out.

(c) STOP Beta Backsliding. Go back to working on yourself. Don't lose focus of your own goals. Remember that women are only compliments to your life. She wants to see you trying to take over the world with her as a silhouette of commitment on the side. She wants to be a mistress to a man bent on world domination. She wants to be nervous around you, slightly intimidated, to be able to capitulate to your lordship.
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My question is, how could I have handled this in a more alpha way? What aspects / theories of the game should I be reading up on? When sex starts to dwindle, how can we manage it. I had the feeling after the incident that she wanted me to 'man up' and say that I wanted more sex, etc. which was ironically the opposite to what she'd been saying...
This is half correct. DO NOT say this "straight out" thinking that you're manning up. Women HATE when you overtly communicate your demands or what's expected of them. It's the type of overtly masculine behavior they are all to ready to truncate and exploit. Just think about jealousy - if you TOLD your girlfriend directly "Yah, another girl likes me," Do you expect her to try harder, or to be resentful? BUT imagine now if you started going to the gym and she noticed you were getting more female attention without trying. Her reaction would be "I need to pry him off the hands of these other harlots."

Your girlfriend needs to think "I need to have secks with him so he doesn't run off with the 10,000 other girls that want him" NOT "I need to have secks with him because it's a chore in our relationship." You should have said nothing, don't bring it up. Be less available and less needy. Talk to other girls, make sure SHE KNOWS YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. And constantly convey sexuality. Stay confident, charming, dominant, make innuendos, act careless and aloof.

As per the secks you guys had BEFORE she had the total withdrawal - that was the calm before the storm. Women will often have secks with their boyfriends after intense shows of commitment / rapport in order to reinforce that behavior, but it's a losing battle. You have enough of an emotional connection with her, what you need now is ATTRACTION, INTEREST, PASSION, FIRE.

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You relationship lacks passion.

At the onset of a romantic relationship, the girl is enamored by the guy's charm. To her, he is a perfect distillation of testosterone. As time passes, they fall into routines, lose the competitive anxiety that fueled the sexual tension in their relationship, and grow bored of each other. This is inevitable, it's just a part of being human. No one will ever be in a relationship where they are continuously at the peak of their happiness.

I'd agree with this under any other circumstance, but the fact that the sex is still good, presumably for her too, negates this rationale entirely. What you're proposing is more symptomatic of a loss of interest in sex entirely - it is often sexual intimacy which is the first to go when a relationship begins to wane. Moreover, if it's being bored with one another that's the reason, it's likely that the emotional bond has become less secure (simply put, both parties are less involved in each others' lives.


I recommend the following changes:

(a) Restore competitive anxiety. If a girl KNOWS that she is the ONLY source of pussy you have access to, she loses the motivation to use secks as a precursor for attention. Women use secks to get relationships, Men use relationships to get secks. The moment this dynamic becomes distorted and you begin to remain COMPLICIT with her withholding secks, your relationship starts to dry up. No matter how "unethical" people describe it as, jealousy is the single strongest emotion in a relationship, the greatest igniter of passions. Remain immune to it yourself while injecting it in calculated doses to her.

Counterproductive as it seems the girl is already feeling quite anxious about the state of the relationship. She'd even said quite explicitly that she's fearful that she'll be replaced suggesting her insecurities of being an adequate partner. It doesn't sound as though she's withholding sex to garner attention, but more that she's afraid that the relationship is becoming purely defined by sex and that there's nothing else she offers him.

(b) Judge a girl by her actions, not her words. If she's giving you less attention and not having as much secks, she is losing interest. It doesn't matter if she says "I don't deserve you" or "I'm so pleased that you're not like other guys." FOCUS ONLY ON INTEREST LEVEL. Cut all the ego assuaging bullshit out.

You can't infer that a person is less interested because they're having less sex or holding out on sex. Again, this could be more a result of feeling ambivalent toward a relationship defined solely by sex and nothing more. People withhold sex for all types of reasons. You can't cut ego out, as 1) it's humanly impossible to do so the ego is the engine behind human motivation which cannot be circumvented, but only kept partially in check, and 2) by doing so you'd be invalidating her basic needs thereby perpetuating feelings of vulnerability and inadequacy (which I suspect lies at the root of the problem).

Further, some women and men will 'freeze-out' on giving attention because they feel their emotional needs aren't being met. An indirect approach, yes, but often partners believe the other should understand implicitly, as if telepathically, the other's wants, needs, and desires (which quite often is NOT in step with reality).



(c) STOP Beta Backsliding. Go back to working on yourself. Don't lose focus of your own goals. Remember that women are only compliments to your life. She wants to see you trying to take over the world with her as a silhouette of commitment on the side. She wants to be a mistress to a man bent on world domination. She wants to be nervous around you, slightly intimidated, to be able to capitulate to your lordship.

No offense, but this sounds like something you regurgitated from some PUA handbook. It's kind of creepy, and is borderline misogynistic; I wouldn't expect you to agree, however, because in some weird way you probably preach it like the gospel; i wont waste any time trying to dis-abuse you of your belief.
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My question is, how could I have handled this in a more alpha way? What aspects / theories of the game should I be reading up on? When sex starts to dwindle, how can we manage it. I had the feeling after the incident that she wanted me to 'man up' and say that I wanted more sex, etc. which was ironically the opposite to what she'd been saying...
This is half correct. DO NOT say this "straight out" thinking that you're manning up. Women HATE when you overtly communicate your demands or what's expected of them. It's the type of overtly masculine behavior they are all to ready to truncate and exploit. Just think about jealousy - if you TOLD your girlfriend directly "Yah, another girl likes me," Do you expect her to try harder, or to be resentful? BUT imagine now if you started going to the gym and she noticed you were getting more female attention without trying. Her reaction would be "I need to pry him off the hands of these other harlots."

Your girlfriend needs to think "I need to have secks with him so he doesn't run off with the 10,000 other girls that want him" NOT "I need to have secks with him because it's a chore in our relationship." You should have said nothing, don't bring it up. Be less available and less needy. Talk to other girls, make sure SHE KNOWS YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. And constantly convey sexuality. Stay confident, charming, dominant, make innuendos, act careless and aloof.

As per the secks you guys had BEFORE she had the total withdrawal - that was the calm before the storm. Women will often have secks with their boyfriends after intense shows of commitment / rapport in order to reinforce that behavior, but it's a losing battle. You have enough of an emotional connection with her, what you need now is ATTRACTION, INTEREST, PASSION, FIRE.


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To everyone but hakuna and papi, NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

Sex morning noon and night is quite possible with the right girl and a little creativity. Keep her interested. Keep her wet.

Secondly much like if someone asks if your a god, if she asks if you are going to leave her you say yes. I usualy follow this up with "I'm going to run off with Rachel Ray" or something funny like that. Something that in someway says yes. Sex is best when it is angry and she has something to prove. The alpha statement you are looking for is "yes".

Lastly without sex any relationship is condemned to death. If you cannot connect on a primal level, then there is no hope for the rest.

Best of luck boys.


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You get addicted to frequent sex in a relationship, it becomes a routine, and eventually, the high starts to dwindle as you grow a sort of tolerance. It will get harder for her to get turned on.

So, say no to bad sex!

She probably wants to have good sex again too. You just need to say no to the bad stuff and start thinking how you can make it good again.

I'm not an advocate of flirting with other girls to make her jealous. You guys are a year in, you don't need other girls. You have one right in front of you. You just need to make it fun for her (and yourself) again.

Start by doing some other things, not sex. Maybe go rock climbing, go to the club and dance. Take dancing lessons together. You need
to get her to have fun with you without sex to kind of get past this..

Also, do whatever makes YOU confident without her, weather that's working out, joking with your buds or winning at x-box. If you're in a sour mood all the time because you can't have sex, nothing is going to get better.

Get creative about sex ideas. Explore your fantasies. Write them down.

After a good date night (sans sex) send her some flirty texts or email during the day. Remember, imagination and anticipation are pretty powerfull stuff. Get her thinking about sex in a positive light and be a man with your words.

"Tell me what turns you on."
"I want details the next time you masterbate."
"Tomorow night, no touching unless I say. I'll tell you what to touch :-)"
"I just ordered something you can model for me. :-)"

Dude, you just need to make it interesting again. When you have sex so often for a year, it's just like.. you need something different.


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Great info. I'm dealing with a similar problem.


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yea, man. good deal of info. great thread.


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Focus on reconnecting OUTSIDE the bedroom (non-sexually).


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