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 Post subject: Re: Ask Locke
PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:12 am 
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dear locke .
i just joined the fourm recently and i looked at yours and i read a lil bit of ur answers to some questions and it is really good. anyways im not gonna talk alot im just gonna get into the body.
u see ive known this girl for 2 years , and like this year we became really close right and i like her u know shes like a 7,5 and we always go out n shit but like we go out as friends , now for new years , as everyone , she was drunk and u know the saying a drunks mind speaks a sobers heart , i called her and she was like "baby i love you " and some " ur the best thing that ever happened to me " and in the morning i'm checking my text messages out and shes like " said i love u so much " n one of those " words cant explain how much u mean to me " . so im like sick she likes me . and now i dont know what to do if i should tell her or no
So next time we're out i can just do the david deangelo routine to see if shes ready for the kiss , but like if she doesnt like me and the words she said were because she was drunk . so like i cant say i got nothing to lose cuz i do haave something to lose you know .
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dear locke .
i just joined the fourm recently and i looked at yours and i read a lil bit of ur answers to some questions and it is really good. anyways im not gonna talk alot im just gonna get into the body.
u see ive known this girl for 2 years , and like this year we became really close right and i like her u know shes like a 7,5 and we always go out n shit but like we go out as friends , now for new years , as everyone , she was drunk and u know the saying a drunks mind speaks a sobers heart , i called her and she was like "baby i love you " and some " ur the best thing that ever happened to me " and in the morning i'm checking my text messages out and shes like " said i love u so much " n one of those " words cant explain how much u mean to me " . so im like sick she likes me . and now i dont know what to do if i should tell her or no
So next time we're out i can just do the david deangelo routine to see if shes ready for the kiss , but like if she doesnt like me and the words she said were because she was drunk . so like i cant say i got nothing to lose cuz i do haave something to lose you know .
any suggestions ?

Tell her that over new years she sent you text messages that had a lot of depth to them. Ask her if she was just drunk, or if she meant it. ANd if she meant it, from what standpoint does she love you--as a friend, or as more?

You wont be judge for bringing it up ceesquared; she really can't, considering she did send those messages. Just make sure she knows you are bringing it up because you want to escalate. Throughout this entire converstation you are about to have with her, make sure you are holding her hand or playing with her hair. Then, after all is said and done, kiss her regardless of whether she likes you as a friend or more. You'll spark some attraction.

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Dear Locke,

It's not a question of mine but my friend's one.
I will describe how the situation looks. I think my friend fell in love with one girl, she's very nice altough she's never been in a closer relationship except one time when one dumbass treated her like a tool. They have been going out for some time, and then there was something like I don't know "vacation" they didn't go out, and she was meeting that guy. And this is when the fun part begins. She thought she gave her virginity to that horn dog, and actually she didn't, guy "didn't break her hymen"(? I don't know if this is an appropriate and well constructed sentence, but forgive me :) ) Then my friend came in and he cheered her up etc. And they started going out again. And when it came to having sex my friend was the second one "in the game" and he actually did brak it. And what he did, he didn't thought in the other aspect than only she had sex with him. I mean being the second one after such a bastard is a privilege, am I right? And when it came to new years eve they didn't go on the same party... So my friend who actually thought she wasn't into it got drunk and picked up another girl, and spent the rest of the new years eve with her, and his girl did nothing with anybody. She knew something was wrong (woman intuition :roll: ) and we unfortunately met that "new years eve girl" some time when he was with his current one, the one he gave a stab on her back haha funny coincidence as for me, world's small... And now they had an argue and she doesn't want to know him anymore. I
I think he made a major mistake, not mentioning the one he did at the party, when he met her and he started saying how much she means to him, that he cried, and that kinda talk...
Do you think there is any way he could get her back? I'm asking because he's very depressed and I'm thinking of a way to help him, or a way to tell him what to do cause he's clueless
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Dear Locke,

It's not a question of mine but my friend's one.
I will describe how the situation looks. I think my friend fell in love with one girl, she's very nice altough she's never been in a closer relationship except one time when one dumbass treated her like a tool. They have been going out for some time, and then there was something like I don't know "vacation" they didn't go out, and she was meeting that guy. And this is when the fun part begins. She thought she gave her virginity to that horn dog, and actually she didn't, guy "didn't break her hymen"(? I don't know if this is an appropriate and well constructed sentence, but forgive me :) ) Then my friend came in and he cheered her up etc. And they started going out again. And when it came to having sex my friend was the second one "in the game" and he actually did brak it. And what he did, he didn't thought in the other aspect than only she had sex with him. I mean being the second one after such a bastard is a privilege, am I right? And when it came to new years eve they didn't go on the same party... So my friend who actually thought she wasn't into it got drunk and picked up another girl, and spent the rest of the new years eve with her, and his girl did nothing with anybody. She knew something was wrong (woman intuition :roll: ) and we unfortunately met that "new years eve girl" some time when he was with his current one, the one he gave a stab on her back haha funny coincidence as for me, world's small... And now they had an argue and she doesn't want to know him anymore. I
I think he made a major mistake, not mentioning the one he did at the party, when he met her and he started saying how much she means to him, that he cried, and that kinda talk...
Do you think there is any way he could get her back? I'm asking because he's very depressed and I'm thinking of a way to help him, or a way to tell him what to do cause he's clueless
Regards
Prince aka Michael
Sounds like it was a mis-communication. She was interested in him, he was interested in her...however because of the new years eve party, he assumed that she wasn't interested and he could move on. But that wasn't the case? She liked him a lot, and he liked her a lot. At least that is what I took from what you just wrote.

You can't "win" someone back. You can't persuade them....and you can't trick them. What you can do, is have them logically think about it, then trigger more emotions. Have the two of them sit down. And just explain what had happened. She might just understand! If not, well...it already seems he has no problem finding other women. And it sounds like he is only depressed because he wanted a relationship; I don't think it matters who it is with. Make sure he doesn't jump into one.

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Dear Locke,

I need serious help RIGHT NOW! this girl and I have been dating for about 5 months now, and I've never been in a single relationship for this long. My whole player attitude crumbles in front of her and I don't even keep any back ups now. I'm so serious with her that I plan to marry her after college.

Well, its been like two week that she's been hammered with work load and her busy daily schedules that she barely has time to see me. And let me point out that past two weeks, we've only had had sex for two days! That iS NOT ME! A guy has his own needs. Anyway, so whenever I see her, I keep feeding her my lines, trying to seduce her- she brushes them off by saying she's tired and is stressed out. I thought of a plan and gave her a seductive body massage, and that is what took to get her into bed for the second time. I'm really tired of her stressing out and this dull relationship. And now she's stressing out too, saying stuffs like "its not fair for you, leave me, I'd understand (reverse psychology crap)" and things like, "how its about the quality of time that we spend, not quantity" and all that bullshit. But no doubt I still love this girl.

Should I keep going with this relationship or what should I do? (the PUA thing would be "fuck this, life is too short for just one girl", but I do think I would still marry her) How can I spice things up? How should I handle this?

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 Post subject: Re: dull relationship
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Dear Locke,

I need serious help RIGHT NOW! this girl and I have been dating for about 5 months now, and I've never been in a single relationship for this long. My whole player attitude crumbles in front of her and I don't even keep any back ups now. I'm so serious with her that I plan to marry her after college.

Well, its been like two week that she's been hammered with work load and her busy daily schedules that she barely has time to see me. And let me point out that past two weeks, we've only had had sex for two days! That iS NOT ME! A guy has his own needs. Anyway, so whenever I see her, I keep feeding her my lines, trying to seduce her- she brushes them off by saying she's tired and is stressed out. I thought of a plan and gave her a seductive body massage, and that is what took to get her into bed for the second time. I'm really tired of her stressing out and this dull relationship. And now she's stressing out too, saying stuffs like "its not fair for you, leave me, I'd understand (reverse psychology crap)" and things like, "how its about the quality of time that we spend, not quantity" and all that bullshit. But no doubt I still love this girl.

Should I keep going with this relationship or what should I do? (the PUA thing would be "fuck this, life is too short for just one girl", but I do think I would still marry her) How can I spice things up? How should I handle this?

Thanks!



Here is a little explanation of the sexual workings of a woman and a relationship:
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It is really easy for men to "get in the mood." Give us physical or visual stimulation and BAM we're ready.

However, a woman is logic and emotion based. The woman's mind controls her sexual arousal and stimulation...believe it or not. Throughout the day, everything that happens is going to weigh on her mind. If she becomes really busy or sidetracked, it is easy for her to not be able to keep her mind focused on the active sexual advances at hand.

Stressor's could be anything. It could be with the relationship, it could be with her day, it could be about you. The woman's mind controls her libido and sex drive. If the mind is not in it, then she won't be in it.

Some things you could do:

Try initiating foreplay in the beginning of the day. If you put sex on her mind, then sex will be on her mind. Simple Wink Then all you have to do is keep it there.

Ask yourself what her favorite intimate things to do are? Maybe intimacy for her is more about kissing than about sex? Or maybe it is more about holding hands in public? Try different things to find out what boosts HER intimacy level. The higher the intimacy, the higher her buying temperature. I know women who get turned on by geeky jokes and talking. I've heard of others that their turn on's are thunderstorms. You see...their arousal is completely different. Maybe foreplay isn't what gets her going, but skinny dipping is?

Bring it up with her. Communicate. This IS one of those problems that is great to communicate about. The sexual health of a relationship has a lot of bearing on the relationship itself, and vice versa. When you bring it up don't be judgmental or point blame. As I stated above, emotions have a lot to do with a woman's libido. So....carefully find out if she still has emotional passion for you. If she does still find you physically and emotionally attractive, then you can move on and know that it is either a.) her mind and personal mental state or b.) you are not triggering her intimacy switches.


Now, if after all of that is tried and the problem is still reoccurring, then I would either point towards a psychological issue, a hormonal issue, or a relationship issue. You've already tried the address a relationship issue, so now there isn't much you can do but continue to try and communicate.

And as for what to do in future situations where your sexual advances are denied?

I know. It is tough. Just as women take things certain ways, in the bedroom...men can be very touchy! We can mis-interpret things easily.
I understand your frustration and it is normal to believe something is wrong. That isn't always the case though!

Don't make a big deal out of it when it happens. If she isn't in the mood, then she isn't in the mood. The more you push, the more frustrated and further from sexual arousal she will be. She will possibly even get annoyed at herself for not being in the mood. That has a potential snowball effect and damage sexual confidence--which then just ends up leading to even lower sex drive.

So don't push. Don't freeze out, and don't take it like it is LMR.

Change the topic and kiss her, compliment her, let her know she is important to you. because obviously, if you are seeking help for this, then she is! Just go about your business; whether it is to continue talking or to go to bed. If it begins to happen frequently, then revert back to my suggestions higher up - how to deal with it.
First off, I would like to just point out that your attitude, personality, and actions should all be congruent with WHO YOU ARE. There should be no "crumbling" and certainly no "backups." Look into working on solidifying your frame--because it shouldn't be a bunch of "fronts."

Onto your question:

If she is stressed out, the more you push, the less she will have the chance of becoming in the mood. And the less she is in "the mood," and the more you push, the more she will realize she isn't satisfying your needs. THIS will snowball and she will stress about that, then tadahhh, zero sex drive.

Just as emotions, everyone's libido has up's and downs. You love her. The real question is, is she returning that love to you? If you two truly want to be in a healthy relationship and she does care about you, then you have nothing to worry about. The sexual health doesn't ALWAYS reflect relationship status. It sounds to me like she just has a lot going on right now so her libido is down. SUPPORT her. Give her help if she needs it, and just be there to reinforce her. Make sure that she knows you are still sexually attracted to her too, just dont cross the line of trying to get her to have sex (until she is ready).

Now, there is nothing wrong if you don't want to do that either. If you love her, but know you wont be able to stay faithful, or be in a relationship with someone that gets stressed that easily? Then get out of the relationship. The worst thing you can do is drag it along and hide your true feelings. That is lying and hurtful.

So you decide: do you want to be with her or not? If so, now you know what to do.

and p.s.:
I would consider myself someone who studies Pick-Up. I've been in my relationship for almost 11months. So to rearrange your misunderstanding: the "PUA mentality" is not 'life is too short to have only one woman.' It is about being with the women you want to be with; whether it is one or twenty of them.

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Ok I have another question since the case with my friend is closed.
I have a gf for about 4 months now. It's ths first time since I don't flirt/seduce other women when I'm in a closer relationship. She didn't have a man longer than for a month.
The problem is that she just won't fully trust me. She doesn't trust anyone. And then again I lied to her once, not counting few lesser lies which don't matter at all, but I think I earned her trust and she has no reason not to trust me... I didn't give her one. She trusts me in things like when I go out for clubbing that I won't make out with the others, but she said once she "divides" everything I say by some numbers. Like when I say "I have never been so engaged to one person" she divides it I can't tell how many times. And when we had a talk about that she said she don't want to trust anybody because she doesn't want to be dissappointed when I do something wrong/I will lie/the relationship will end etc.
And there was 2 situations that she told me, she's tired of this relationship and she needs a rest, and after two days she was sweet as usual. I don't get it??
And the last thing, once she wrote me that she's lonely. I replied that she isn't cause I'm here. And she txted me "not enough", then I txted "of what? Me?:)" she replied "Yes" then I replied "let's meet tommorow" then she "that's not what I need now, and you know that" "so you need love? am I right?" "that's what they call it. You know sense of security, beign loved etc." she replied.
I don't know if I should emphasise/tell her that I love her, I'm afraid this might scare/discourage her(? don't know if this is a good word)...
Please tell me what to doooo...


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Ok I have another question since the case with my friend is closed.
I have a gf for about 4 months now. It's ths first time since I don't flirt/seduce other women when I'm in a closer relationship. She didn't have a man longer than for a month.
The problem is that she just won't fully trust me. She doesn't trust anyone. And then again I lied to her once, not counting few lesser lies which don't matter at all, but I think I earned her trust and she has no reason not to trust me... I didn't give her one. She trusts me in things like when I go out for clubbing that I won't make out with the others, but she said once she "divides" everything I say by some numbers. Like when I say "I have never been so engaged to one person" she divides it I can't tell how many times. And when we had a talk about that she said she don't want to trust anybody because she doesn't want to be dissappointed when I do something wrong/I will lie/the relationship will end etc.
And there was 2 situations that she told me, she's tired of this relationship and she needs a rest, and after two days she was sweet as usual. I don't get it??
And the last thing, once she wrote me that she's lonely. I replied that she isn't cause I'm here. And she txted me "not enough", then I txted "of what? Me?:)" she replied "Yes" then I replied "let's meet tommorow" then she "that's not what I need now, and you know that" "so you need love? am I right?" "that's what they call it. You know sense of security, beign loved etc." she replied.
I don't know if I should emphasise/tell her that I love her, I'm afraid this might scare/discourage her(? don't know if this is a good word)...
Please tell me what to doooo...
I never tell people what to do; however, I do get them my advice on their situation. And mine for you? Time to move on.

It isn't that her moods are unstable, it is that her feelings for YOU are unstable. She can't trust you, you don't love her enough, she wants more, then she wants less....these are all bad signs. It sounds like she wants to have a relationship just for the sake of a relationship. And IF you do want to escalate the seriousness of things, I would wait at least another month to see if these issues work themselves out.

Maybe even tell her that if she can get her mind straight on her feelings for you, then how are you expected to know where you want to go with the two of you?

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Tell her that over new years she sent you text messages that had a lot of depth to them. Ask her if she was just drunk, or if she meant it. ANd if she meant it, from what standpoint does she love you--as a friend, or as more?

You wont be judge for bringing it up ceesquared; she really can't, considering she did send those messages. Just make sure she knows you are bringing it up because you want to escalate. Throughout this entire converstation you are about to have with her, make sure you are holding her hand or playing with her hair. Then, after all is said and done, kiss her regardless of whether she likes you as a friend or more. You'll spark some attraction.


thanks for the advice it really helped alot , but heres what happened , i was about to tell her about the texts and i'm looking at her phone and im like whos this cuz she just got a text msg and she said thats her bf , which basicly they've been on and off for 2 years already. so i figured u know what i'll just let it go , there are alot of fish in the sea :)

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Hello!

Just want a bit of advice about the dynamics of a relationship....

I have been seeing this girl for about 2 months, it started off well - she was really into me, enjoyed our time together etc.

More recently, I think I have relaxed a bit and become more needy which has made her become less interested and kind of bored with me.

It's like I'm doing the chasing now, rather than the other way around. She's away at the minute, so I haven't seen or even spoke to her in a
little while, and not had sex with her in a while, so I accept there's a chance she has got with other guys.

How can I flip this back so that she's the one doing the chasing and regains more interest and attraction in me? and then to solidify our relationship. I guess people will say the best thing to do is just to move on...
...but I know she still sees some value in me - my social circle is 'cooler' than hers, and on most levels we do get on really well... like very similar opinions and outlook on life. She would have officially ended it already if this wasn't the case. Also, a few times she has mentioned stuff to do together in the future, so I guess maybe she sees me as some chodey guy that she can just drag along. Although I don't really know what her take on the relationship is at the moment at all.

Any tips on what to tell her or do so that I regain control of this situation are appreciated. Perhaps punish her somehow for not focussing on me enough, and then reward any following good behaviour? or telling her im thinking of leaving her? what would drag her back in?

I wanna learn as much as possible from this!
Thanks!


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Hello!

Just want a bit of advice about the dynamics of a relationship....

I have been seeing this girl for about 2 months, it started off well - she was really into me, enjoyed our time together etc.

More recently, I think I have relaxed a bit and become more needy which has made her become less interested and kind of bored with me.

It's like I'm doing the chasing now, rather than the other way around. She's away at the minute, so I haven't seen or even spoke to her in a
little while, and not had sex with her in a while, so I accept there's a chance she has got with other guys.

How can I flip this back so that she's the one doing the chasing and regains more interest and attraction in me? and then to solidify our relationship. I guess people will say the best thing to do is just to move on...
...but I know she still sees some value in me - my social circle is 'cooler' than hers, and on most levels we do get on really well... like very similar opinions and outlook on life. She would have officially ended it already if this wasn't the case. Also, a few times she has mentioned stuff to do together in the future, so I guess maybe she sees me as some chodey guy that she can just drag along. Although I don't really know what her take on the relationship is at the moment at all.

Any tips on what to tell her or do so that I regain control of this situation are appreciated. Perhaps punish her somehow for not focussing on me enough, and then reward any following good behaviour? or telling her im thinking of leaving her? what would drag her back in?

I wanna learn as much as possible from this!
Thanks!
Phil, keywords that stood out: Chasing, Chodey, Drag, control, punish, reward, leaving, and again, drag.

It sounds to me like you have a couple things going on here, and one of which is a misunderstanding that a good relationship involves control. It doesn't. A good relationship involves flexibility, and giving/receiving. So punishing and rewarding to try and gain your alpha status in a relationship is not really healthy. Punishing and rewarding are just Tools to alter dynamics of interaction, not to drag her or convince her of anything.

The other words that stood out made it sound to me like you are having some esteem problems; dropping a chode on yourself and taking all this blame for the relationships direction--this demonstrates that you are not feeling like you are worthy of the relationship. This will reflect too; the lower your esteem, the more you will be come needy and the more you will try and "earn" her attention or "win" her time. Remember that a good relationship is balance and if you do those things I just listed, you through things highly off balance and she gets launched up on a pedestal.

And as for the chasing part, here is a quote I really enjoy:
"Aint no time two people staring at each other, or standing still, love in both their eyes, at the same time equal. So. Who's chasing who?"

From my experience, always always always in a relationship someone is going to be chasing the other person a little more than the opposite. It might actually even switch at some point. Or switch all the time. However, as long as there is a strong foundation and a basis of like or love, then it doesn't matter who is chasing, because that just keeps things exciting and the attraction peaked. Just make sure you arn't chasing something that doesn't have a foundation.

My recommendation for you is that you start from scratch (if you can). Rework the relationship so that things get changed around and the opportunity to rebuild attraction is available. The most likely scenario is that she does like you right now, but you are moving to fast emotionally.

Here is a neediness post I did: neediness-you-were-supposed-to-forget-a ... 26134.html
And here is a strategic way to escalate relationship status: onion-theory-vt30938.html

both are really good, and the first one is really long. They should really help you with your relationship. Really.

Good luck!

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Ok I tried posting this in another thread but it looks like I went to the wrong one. I'm not new to the game, just to the forums. :)

What I said was:

"I'm "talking" to this woman now, a classmate of mine. We're really into each other, it's obvious. We always flirt, and we enjoy each other's company (when we have the time). The thing is though, she's shy and because of some previous idiot boyfriend, she has a hard time trusting and opening up to guys.

And now, my problem is this: We text/email a lot, and have great conversations, but I ALWAYS seem to be the person who takes the initiative. I'm the person who starts our conversations, I'm the person who tells her we're going out for a drink.

How do I get her to open up more to me? To get that "comfort" feeling. How do I get her to want to take me out for a drink, or want to start a conversation with me, so it's more of a two-way street?

I know this is leaning more towards the relationship side of things rather than the actual pick up, but I was hoping for a little advice anyway."

It just makes me feel like a complete AFC when I'm starting everything.. it gives me the idea that I'm chasing her, and I want to reverse that.

Thank you in advance. :)


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Hi Locke, I've just got in from a party, and before I forget I need to ask you something,

I recently posted about a girl I was getting in with i guess you could say, about a month or so ago.

now i really wasnt sure about this one, i tried as hard as i could to like her but i just couldnt, and shes been round my house a few times and i havent made out with her because i didnt want to lead her along, but i've kept the kino going etc etc, now she texts me all the time saying love you lots and things like that, shes keen to say the least, and my friend tells me she really really likes me, so then monday this week i managed to decide i wanted her and i told her that we would be good together and she told me she wanted that and she really really liked me but she wanted to tell me to my face on friday (today), but wednesday i text her about 4 and she didnt text back till later, sayin she had been round her aunties and that her auntie was moving away and she was having problems at home, we're both 17 btw, so tonight we get there and we're i see her and we get talking so i take her outside to talk, and she started saying i dont want to tell you cause you will hate me, so i said what is there someone else? she said nahh and kissed me! but she told me after it wasnt fair on me to get into a relationship beacause of her family issues and that she wouldnt see me much, now im confused because this happened to me with the last girl sayin she didnt want a relationship because she got hurt in the past.. does this mean the same? i took care of her tonight i got her a taxi home etc, made out with her countless times, she just text me a min ago to tell me she got home ok and put i love you, at the end, and just a second ago she rang me to tell me she was sober lol

i am really confused locke a lil help from my main man would be appreciated. :)


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Ok I tried posting this in another thread but it looks like I went to the wrong one. I'm not new to the game, just to the forums. :)

What I said was:

"I'm "talking" to this woman now, a classmate of mine. We're really into each other, it's obvious. We always flirt, and we enjoy each other's company (when we have the time). The thing is though, she's shy and because of some previous idiot boyfriend, she has a hard time trusting and opening up to guys.

And now, my problem is this: We text/email a lot, and have great conversations, but I ALWAYS seem to be the person who takes the initiative. I'm the person who starts our conversations, I'm the person who tells her we're going out for a drink.

How do I get her to open up more to me? To get that "comfort" feeling. How do I get her to want to take me out for a drink, or want to start a conversation with me, so it's more of a two-way street?

I know this is leaning more towards the relationship side of things rather than the actual pick up, but I was hoping for a little advice anyway."

It just makes me feel like a complete AFC when I'm starting everything.. it gives me the idea that I'm chasing her, and I want to reverse that.

Thank you in advance. :)
Sorry, I must have overlooked this post.

If I am not too late, I'd still love to help. It doesn't make you AFC to be initiating everything; it just means that your frame is different than hers. As you said, she is shy....you can't really expect her to change her personality. If you sense that she IS interested in you, then escalating is just a matter of connecting. In order to do that, you have to give her reasons to invest and make that connection. If what it takes is starting things for a while, then do that. Build up lots of comfort. How do you build comfort? As simple as the word--the more time you spend together, the more comfortable she will get.

Now after a period of time, if things don't change and you still feel like she is just talking to you because you are talking to her, then maybe she is only interested in being friends? Try escalating the sexual tension while you hang out. On top of hanging out more, you'll be steadily increasing her buying temperature. If she is not interested, then you won't see any indicators of interest. If she is, she will go along with both the comfort and physical escalation.

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Hi Locke, I've just got in from a party, and before I forget I need to ask you something,

I recently posted about a girl I was getting in with i guess you could say, about a month or so ago.

now i really wasnt sure about this one, i tried as hard as i could to like her but i just couldnt, and shes been round my house a few times and i havent made out with her because i didnt want to lead her along, but i've kept the kino going etc etc, now she texts me all the time saying love you lots and things like that, shes keen to say the least, and my friend tells me she really really likes me, so then monday this week i managed to decide i wanted her and i told her that we would be good together and she told me she wanted that and she really really liked me but she wanted to tell me to my face on friday (today), but wednesday i text her about 4 and she didnt text back till later, sayin she had been round her aunties and that her auntie was moving away and she was having problems at home, we're both 17 btw, so tonight we get there and we're i see her and we get talking so i take her outside to talk, and she started saying i dont want to tell you cause you will hate me, so i said what is there someone else? she said nahh and kissed me! but she told me after it wasnt fair on me to get into a relationship beacause of her family issues and that she wouldnt see me much, now im confused because this happened to me with the last girl sayin she didnt want a relationship because she got hurt in the past.. does this mean the same? i took care of her tonight i got her a taxi home etc, made out with her countless times, she just text me a min ago to tell me she got home ok and put i love you, at the end, and just a second ago she rang me to tell me she was sober lol

i am really confused locke a lil help from my main man would be appreciated. :)
Sorry Totti, I read these one night and then forgot to check back in with answers.

I'm having trouble with this situation you just wrote up.

At first, you were fooling around because you wanted to practice your game, learn some things, hang out with women. Cool. Then you find out that she really really likes you, and you decide that you can pursue that because it is there. Fine. Now, from what I am reading, she is in love with you.

That is really really quick man. If she is giving herself to you emotionally like that, you want to think long and hard if you feel the same way. Because leading someone on and dragging something out (in my book) isn't cool--she could find other people. If you do want to give it a chance, then go ahead.

Some people just have relationship problems, or external problems that make them a little skeptical. This doesn't mean that she isn't interested. This just means that she is telling you: if you want to be with her, you gotta take the baggage.

And again, if you want to take the baggage, then try it out. If not, then don't pretend. Good to see you're doing well though!

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