woman are more emotional than men... i would stimulate her emotions and tell her to chill out with me when she's at her emotional peak. I never ask when she's at her peak , i always tell because she complies. No or im bussy means not yet...if you show her you are a source of well being and emotions she will put her shit aside.

When a girl just keeps laughing or she is batshit crazy attracted ( because you hold eye contact and all that shit ) you need to ask her for compliance - in this case it's a so called ''date''.

increase her buying temperature - if you show her you are fun and make her comfortable she will comply. If you tap raw attraction you don't really have to stimulate her emotions - she will come up with her own unconcious and concious reasons to feel attraction.

routines are just designed to stimulate emotions , if you can vibe just be yourself around people you are doing the same - however you are expressing your emotions by being yourself instead of throwing mind thoughts to her.

if it turns out she isn't attracted at all... (i don't think this is the case but there are alot of weird woman walking out there) you just friendzone her or you simply ask her to give you more space. some woman just need validation from guys even tho they aren't attracted - it's better to stay away from such woman untill you can friendzone them without feeling bad about it.

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Well heres the situation shes a JOCKEY and right now her horse is SICK so I know shes feeling EMOTIONAL right now but I dont know if it would okay to ask her to chill out with me? Plus on top of that she works 4 days a week and goes to school FULLTIME. So what would you say about that? I've always kept my distance from her and I give her all the space she wants, basically I only communicate with her when she communicates with me! I don't call or text her all the time.

Thanks always

either contact her ...just like i mensioned before

or freeze her out.. just ignore her for a while ( just greet.. don't be a jackass haha ) and ask her when she tried to get your attention a few times..

don't give away your time and energy to someone... you can say no whenever you like. Woman love all emotions...

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Hi Lode

Ok so I came about this forum around 2 weeks ago and I decided to seek some advice from you, since it seems that you are the man!

About 7 months ago, I met a girl and we had 2 dates. Before we actually went on these 2 dates, I could tell she was really into me, from her body language. She is quite a shy girl, and she used to blush and look down a lot when talking to me. She also used to stutter her voice when talking to me. Now at the time, I did not know about much of the game, since previously (before my 4 year rel) I was quite successful with girls since I could not care less. So I never did any reading. However after these 2 dates, she seemed to loose interest in me and I could not understand why. So I started emailing and texting her (which now I know as a big mistake), and in the beginning she continued, like some emails were a page or 2 long. However all this came to a halt. So I said ok, no problem, I will just move on, and that is what I did. I infact dated some other girls, and I came across an article once on the inner game and I started realizing what I was doing wrong.

Now about 4 months ago, this same girl met me at a club, and I was with someone else, and i think she became quite jelous, since she came just about a metre away from me and looking at me and smiling. Then when the girl left for the loo, she came to talk to me and told me how we do not do anything more together and I was basically playing hard to get. I told her that I will message her one of these days, which I did not. So she got more frustrated, and i finally gave in.

So we had been meeting for like the last 2 months, and things seems to be going quite well and telling me that I am the person she really want to be with, and telling me to go to places etc. But the problem is that we never got physical, and when I tried to go for the kiss, she just turned her head and hugged me, and gave me a kiss on the lips. Now for me this was not acceptable, so I decided to freeze her again, and after about 2 weeks, she told me to meet, and I did, and since then we had a really fun couple of dates, and she's texting me like how much fun she had, and this did not happen to her with the guys she has dated before me etc. But the fact that we have never gotten physical is worrying me, because since I have been turned away that night, I do not feel comfortable starting anything, and she does not also.

I would like to know what u think about this situation. She is a super shy girl, but I still beleive that if you are interested in someone, you do not turn your head. It seems like I am getting mixed reactions from her. I have decided to just freeze everything again and try to make her chase me, but I am afraid I am in the friend's zone already.

Thanks man I really appreciate all your help. I'll try the FREEZE OUT METHOD, and see what happens? She still keeps giving me this BS of how she CARES about me so much, but then at the same time she tells me that she's too busy to hang out with me? I don't understand this behavior from her? Do you know why she keeps saying this to me?

Thanks always,

I've been dating this one girl for 6 months now. We see each other about 2 or 3 times a month but we both have been busy for the past month and she says it's been so long we haven't seen each other that it feels like she hasn't even met me in person yet. Everything is normal between us though just a feeling she had, does it sound that bad? Should I be worried? I'm seeing her this week anyway.

Hey Lode, I didn't get a chance to talk to/see this girl and it's been like 2 weeks. But stuff has been kinda awkward. I asked her if she was going out one night and she didn't respond. I saw her out and ignored her the entire time and talked to another girl. After the bar closed I got a response from her saying she had left her phone at home but that she had been there. The next time I saw her was at a different bar two days later. She kinda looked away and started dancing with her friend. So it's been about 2 weeks since we've had an actual conversation.

I'll inevitably run into her at a bar because I live in a small college town. Do you think after a month I can sort of "reset" things? I've already been in a sexual relationship with her, so I have the biggest stumbling block out of the way, I think. I figured if I saw her again after 3 weeks it would sort of be like re-meeting her. In the meantime I'm gonna game other girls and see if I can get anything.

Or do you think I should move on?

Hey Lodewijkp,
Just an update on my relationship. Last night my gf and I sat down for a good hr talking. After all was said and done, it turns out I was misreading her for quite sometime. She said that was her fault bc of all the stress she has had. However, the fact I have stood by her means the world to her. We came to agreement that we jumped into bf/gf too quick (more like the fact we dont get much time together so its going to. take longer to build rappor). We still have the "tilte bf/gf" as far as the socal circle is concerned, we just are kind of starting back on square one-ish.
Basically, things that you do like kissing, hand holdin cuddling....that is gone until she initiates. I made that fully clear to her that if she wants this to work then she has to let me know. now i know ppl might think that's AFC attitude but with her its not. She already knows that I'm willing and able to take steps when she is ready. During our talk she said that she needs me in her life and has strong feelings, which honestly by doing this restart so to speak, I personaly believe that shows the fact.
We cleared up so much misunderstanding that we had with eachother and we both agreed that things will turn out for the best. I know a lot of guys would ask wtf am I doing wasting my time, to answer that I'm not, even with the minor setbacks ive had, i know i found a good woman. i dont have truat issues and i know she won't cheat. These mind games that most girls play, well she doesn't do that. She tells like it is and how she feels simple. All in all, i feel that with us better understanding eaxhother things will turn out like a healthy relationship should.
Any comments or suggestions are welcomed. Bc im basically having to re-game my girl, but under a different set of rules. thanks guys

elpibe

this is a hard one...she could be traumatized or one of those extreme conservative girls... could be she is not attracted

but actually im thinking something else... i think she likes you too much... lol... NEVER NEVER focus on her behaviour keep the focus on yourself and what you want.

The danger : you will get emotionally attached because you feel anger and anxiety because you do not know what she wants - that's why you shouldn't focus on her
Power is not knowing someone.. power is not giving a shit about anything external but still doing what is right.

her seeing you with another woman didn't work out well.. because now she wants to know if you are reliable or not, She will give you more shit tests and dating frames...
the best solution is to keep gaming other woman...but also keep dating her.

between you and me... normally i would act all nazi and tell someone to move on... but somehow deep in my soul i feel that she really is a good woman.

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Iceman

do a freeze out .. if she really cares about you she won't give you up that quick.
Her telling you she cares about you could be a shit test.
A freeze out is a good thing because this way you can step back and observe, you can get some time to think about it.

friends hang out together...if you were friendzoned she wouldn't mind hanging out with you.

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First of all i want to thank you all guys for the help you are giving !

My problem is as follows:
Last winter i met this girl at a party. She really liked me, and i liked her. But she was just passing by and we just talked that night and she left to her hometown in NY.

Later we got each others phone no. and e-mails and we have been speaking for almost 1 year.
And when i say that we did it in such a great way, that in the last period of time we were even really talking sexual on the phone. We have been speaking like 1-2 times per day, and texting.
She even admitted she had strong feelings for me, and later on i admitted that to her as well. And i know I shouldn't have.
We planned on meeting, since it's a great distance between us, but each time something happened during this year and we couldn't meet, sometimes it was because of my studies, or her studies and exams.

We were really planning on meeting this winter and we were all going great BUT i don't know exactly how it happened, i texted her in a joking way that tonight when she goes out to not go on a date with some guy ... and after i insisted with another stupid joke like this asking her: " Why didn't you reply? where your hands occupied with someone others' hands?"
And i think this pissed her off. Later that day she found a pic of me on facebook with another girl. I was just tagged there and it was pure accident. But it was a HARMLESS pic. Still, she thought i did it because she didn't answer and that i wanted to take revenge or something like this, which is silly.

The next day we could hardly talk, she was not "available" etc.
I couldn't see that maybe she lost somewhat interest in me all of a sudden, because each time we were to talk on the phone, she was finding excuses to hang up.
I did the BIG MISTAKe to text her that i care for her and that i think of her all the time.

Later on, we spoke again on the phone and we got into a kind of a fight, and after asking her a couple of times to tell me the truth, she said that she doesn't know how she feels know and that we should take a break from speaking.
I was like shocked in the beginning and i started to appear needy and clingy to her when she mentioned to not speak. A big mistake i know.
We haven't spoken since then, and even though only 3 days passed, it feels like 3 years for me.
This "i need sometime because i am not independent anymore" might be just BS.

I know my mistakes, but what is it that i should do to win her back? And meet eventually?

Any advice upon what i should do to make her realize that i am what she is looking for and that i am the great person she once thought i was and basically to STIR the interest in her again?

Thanks in advance and cheers ![/b]

Lodewijkp

Thanks for your advice once again. So let me get this straight by the FREEZE OUT METHOD do you mean ignore her text messages and emails as well? Because she does email me from time to time about SCHOOL WORK? I don't wanna be an ASSHOLE to her? And also the BIG PROBLEM is that she's in my CLASS and most of the time we sit together? How do I dodge this bullet? I mean if I try to sit somewhere else then she'll be like what's wrong with him? Why is he not sitting next to me? Should I walk in late? and find a seat anywhere? Also is there anything at all that a girl does or say that can give that she LOVES you? I mean there has to be something right?

Thanks you are awesome my friend

Well, I think most girls love compliments. Maybe you overact and she thinks you just wanna flatter her. Next time just pay attention to your tone. Act inadvertently.

Lodewijkp

I wanted to share something with you this is a conservation we had through email. I said something and it pissed her off or something and I apologized to her and this is what she had to say in return

"Thank you. You're too sweet. Look, I've had the same issue with friends (esp. guys) being my friend and then completely dropping me.... either because they were done "using" me for school work or they drop me because their girlfriends (who don't even know me) have decided they don't like me. This just happened like 3 weeks ago with my best friend and I have been really sad about losing him. I had horrible experiences in highschool with people being mean to me, which is why I finished by homeschooling and I didn't walk at graduation. I am a very private person and I know that bother's you, but I honestly only have like 3 friends that I actually spend time with outside of school. And you can judge me and tell me that is not "healthy", but I spend every extra minute I have with my horse and my family, because they are super important to me and have been by my side through thick and thin. That doesn't mean that you or any of my other friends from school are not important to me or that I do not care about you, because you have been a great friend to me and I do really cherish that".

I think from this email it sounds like that she just wants to be friends with me. But you mentioned earlier that if I was in the FRIENDZONE then she wouldn't mind hanging out with me. But she does mind hanging out with me because she keeps telling me that she's too busy with school, work, and other stuff but then she can hang out with her other friends outside from school, but she can't hang out with me? I don't get it man?

I can't thank you enough for this you are being a great help man

Hi Lode

Thanks for your advice. Is it a hard one? I have relationship experience and I can tell u nothing like this ever happened. She also told me I am the only guy who understands her emotions! But I classified that as a "nice guy wuss into the friends zone" talk.

That is what I was gonna do, move on and if she comes back, she's worth it. From what I can tell yeah she is a nice girl, but u never know. Its quite hard to game others at the moment but I will try.

But after reading almost all the posts in here, I understand that the most important is the inner game and never show emotions, something which I have already done with her unfortunately.