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Hello Locke, i have a few questions concerning my gf of almost 2 months.(maybe hooked up for 3 months total?) I'll begin.

She's a subordinate person, not very assertive, bad with time, not very outgoing. It ends up that i'm the one who always has to invite her to my house on the weekends, go out to eat, go wherever. She never initiates it, example: "i'd like to come home with you this weekend".

The thing is she always says yes and goes/does WHATEVER i want, but she never initiates it. I would think that someone no matter who they are, if they really wanted to be with you they would bring it up and not wait for me to, which she always replies yes to. I was thinking of just NOT saying anything about us hanging out, and see if we even chill any of the days where i'm not the one bringing it up. What actions would be wise given this situation?


tricky tricky trickyyyyyyyy.

Both your questions are very interesting.

I want to address the second one first.
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Our relationship is very hot and cold every day, as of lately no consecutive days have been all lovey dovey. Example: last night we bang hardcore at 3am...walk back into the room and lay down. We cuddle for a minute or two and then she turns over away from me in the bed. I lay there neutral and basically say "fuck it, im gonna sleep" and roll over the OTHER way so our backs are facing each other. That's how we sleep for the night. This does not seem like it should happen in a relationship....in the morning she turned to spoon me but i just pushed her hands off me, and went back to sleep. When her roommate left, i got my shit on and left also just brief peck "see ya later" and left. We haven't spoke all day so far which further frustrates me b/c she knows im pissed but doesn't take any action. This has happened more than once, any thoughts?

Thanks a lot man!

Sexuality in a relationship has a lot of bearing on a man's assurance. Some men are a little less....shall we say "lovey dovey" during the course of the day. Some of us wait till the end of the night where we can openly express our mushy sides. When being rejected from cuddling, it can be easily taken as an indicator of emotional distance or relationship disinterest. However Slyder, emotional distance and disinterest will have MULTIPLE signs. So maybe man....maybe she just likes to sleep contact free? Not everyone wants a million degree body all up on them when they sleep. Personally, I like a dog on my head or a cat on my chest. Even a little bit of cuddling to get a taste of that physical reassurance. But any more than that gets uncomfortable for some people. Getting annoyed by that is understandable, but turning it into an issue will only lead to problems.

You must address it. And getting pissy and "short" with her is not properly addressing it. You have to communicate. Bring it up to her. Start by asking to cuddle for a little bit. If she denies that, then ask her if she isn't much of a cuddler while she is sleeping.

Find out the cause instead of assuming there is a problem, or instead of getting so frustrated by it.


Onto the second part (well, actually first ;) ) Again sir, communication is necessary. After hearing your brief description of her traits, she just seems young. It also sounds like she is more of the submissive type. There is nothing wrong with being that way--it doesn't have anything to do with the relationship. What it DOES have something to do with, is the type of personality you seek out. If it really really bothers you that she is not taking charge and playing a more dominant role, the only thing you can do is ask yourself: Does she need to have a dominant role for you to continue this relationship, or is it something that you are just curious about because it is lacking?

There are a lot of things in relationships that take fixing and growth etc etc. However, her basic attributes of being less assertive and somewhat withdrawn is not one of them. That is her personality, that is who she is. You have to figure out if you want that from the person you are in a relationship, or not.


For both Slyder, communication is your solution. Find out if something is wrong. Maybe it isn't that she is not assertive...maybe she isn't just putting in effort because she doesn't care? Again, if you want a serious relationship, these are the things you have to find out. The only way to know what is going on inside each others minds is communication.

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So I've been getting to know this girl since like october and we finally got together about a month ago and our now pretty much a proper couple which is cool cos I really like her.
After a few weeks of us seeing eachother it was my birthday and she cooked me dinner round hers, after the dinner we made out quite a bit nad after quite a bit of effort on my part I finally got to finger her. Problem is since then we haven done anything sexual apart from make out at the end of the night when we say goodbye.
It almost seems like she's not a very 'sexual' person, even when we make out she stops it after like a minute. We often end up on my bed and are just cuddling, I try kissing her but she pretty much keeps her mouth shut and its really difficult to escalate it any further.
Basically I really want to talk to her about it, find out if she has a problem with heavy affection and sexual stuff but i'm not sure how to go about it, or even if to talk about it with her at all. If i should, should it be really direct or should i make a comment the next time she pulls away or whatever?

Sorry if its quite vague but its quite a complicated situation to be in and i just need to know how to take things further with her. Thanks in advance.

If you are serious about trying to make things work, then your goal shouldn't be "how to take things further." I am not judging that goal, I am critiquing that mindset.

She wants to take things slowly. It seems like maybe she got emotionally driven by her "buying temperature" (her sexual frame overtook her logical frame) the first time and ended up fooling around more than she had hoped. She has partial "buyers remorse" because she let that happen, but she WANTS things to work out between you two--obviously, because she is still around. She might be feeling like she went to fast, and is overcompensating to ensure that you actually care for her.

The best thing to do? Follow her lead. If you just want to 'f-close' her, then all you have to do is sexually escalate to that. It will be much harder now, but it is possible. However, if you want to create a long term relationship with her, then the best thing to do is respect the pace she has set. It sucks, maybe.....but because of the seduction this community preaches, it set up an unfortunate dynamic.

DO NOT OVER COMPENSATE THOUGH. Do not take things slower than she wants and certainly do not take things at a much slower pace than YOU want. What you have to do is find the pace she wants to go at, and then push it a little further, then a little further. Not aggressively, because that will only trigger what she was nervous about in the first place.

Increase the sexual comfort level at your pace, but increase the sexual acts at hers.

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great answer, thanks! you're a wise man! I'll definetly take that on board


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great answer, thanks! you're a wise man! I'll definetly take that on board
Oh, above when I said I am not judging that goal, I am critiquing that mindset--I forgot to address that. What I mean is that if you are conciously wanting to push things forward and escalate sexually to a close, that is going to turn into a goal for you. And if it becomes a goal, then your actions are going to lead towards it. Just turn that into an added benefit of the relationship, not the WHOLE relationship :)

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great answer, thanks! you're a wise man! I'll definetly take that on board
Oh, above when I said I am not judging that goal, I am critiquing that mindset--I forgot to address that. What I mean is that if you are conciously wanting to push things forward and escalate sexually to a close, that is going to turn into a goal for you. And if it becomes a goal, then your actions are going to lead towards it. Just turn that into an added benefit of the relationship, not the WHOLE relationship :)
thanks for that man, just wondering though, do you recommend actually talking to her about where the relationship is sexually, and if she has any problems with going further, or should i just let things be?


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great answer, thanks! you're a wise man! I'll definetly take that on board
Oh, above when I said I am not judging that goal, I am critiquing that mindset--I forgot to address that. What I mean is that if you are conciously wanting to push things forward and escalate sexually to a close, that is going to turn into a goal for you. And if it becomes a goal, then your actions are going to lead towards it. Just turn that into an added benefit of the relationship, not the WHOLE relationship :)
thanks for that man, just wondering though, do you recommend actually talking to her about where the relationship is sexually, and if she has any problems with going further, or should i just let things be?
just let things be for now. By building sexual comfort, she will increase her sexual escalation pace. If a time comes where you truly feel things are going great and there should be "fooling around," but isn't? Then yes, maybe it would be time to sit down and talk about it. But for now, relax and see where it goes....just help it get there ;)

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Ok Locke, so you know about my last problem with that girl.

for future reference, i would like to know how exactly to get a girlfriend, because its not as simple as pick up is it?

i mean i have NO problems what so ever closing girls in clubs etc etc its easy!

but i want a relationship, ive just started speaking to this girl at college, i mean like 3 lessons a week she would be in a room opposite and be constantly staring at me! and ive never had the chance to go speak to her at college, so there i am working the other day and she walks in! i couldnt believe it so i thought well im going to capitalise on this easy opportunity.

so i say to her "you go to .... college dont you?" she was like "yeahhh"

quite a few IOI's and she was trying to DHV to me saying she was doing a modeling thing. and we got talking about some social's and things, eventually i ended the convo and said i had to get back to work.

this girl seems nice and if i wanted to go down the path of girlfriend, how would i do it?

thanks Locke :D


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ok so my gf started talking to this guy, she told me that he is an old friend but lately she has been texting with him a lot and she invite him to all the parties we go and sometimes she starts dancing with him. She has become cold, she dosent text me anymore, but when we are drunk she starts kissing me she tells me she loves me and hugging me in front of him alot. I dont really know what to do. I really like her and I don't want to lose her. We used to text a lot but we dont do it anymore. I really feel like an "AFC" right now, because I dont know what to do

what should i do?


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Ok Locke, so you know about my last problem with that girl.

for future reference, i would like to know how exactly to get a girlfriend, because its not as simple as pick up is it?

i mean i have NO problems what so ever closing girls in clubs etc etc its easy!

but i want a relationship, ive just started speaking to this girl at college, i mean like 3 lessons a week she would be in a room opposite and be constantly staring at me! and ive never had the chance to go speak to her at college, so there i am working the other day and she walks in! i couldnt believe it so i thought well im going to capitalise on this easy opportunity.

so i say to her "you go to .... college dont you?" she was like "yeahhh"

quite a few IOI's and she was trying to DHV to me saying she was doing a modeling thing. and we got talking about some social's and things, eventually i ended the convo and said i had to get back to work.

this girl seems nice and if i wanted to go down the path of girlfriend, how would i do it?

thanks Locke :D
Totti, I am sorry but I can not answer this question. It is too inclusive and variable to have even just several correct answers.

My suggestion to read up a little on the onion theory posted in the relationship section.

The best way to paraphrase it is you have to display how awesome you are to initiate the interest. Then you have to build investment. After you have investment, you have to build the onion. While you are building the onion you have to put your "pick-up" tools away, and be yourself...but at the same time you can not change from who she started to like.

There is a very large packet that is still in the works of being put together. In it, I have drawn out a lot of material on relationships. That could answer this question more thoroughly, but again....you are asking for steps A-Z and a summary. If you like the girl, and she likes you, then just be GENUINE.

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'Sup Locke. I love this thread. There's so much info on how to get the girl, and so little on what to do next. You got this shit on Locke down :) Hope this thread flourishes. Even though it means more work for you! Maveric, Slyder great posts. Locke, I can't wait to read your words for Darkstang. We've all been there, I know I have. And, I handled it badly. What to do? Pray tell sir.
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dear locke, i need your wisdom :D

my off-and-on girlfriend is "in love" with some afc. thing is that the afc uses ZERO, NONE of the tactics taught in pickup. he just put the girl on a pedestal and the girl is just loving the attention from this afc. he goes against every rule of PU by being her little puppy, treating her like his master, takes all her bullshit, etc. he's a nerd and the girl is way out of his league. and here i am, trying to get with this girl and she says that what she likes most about her boyfriend is that he's so nice. i really dont know whats going on. if girls like these afc guys who treat them like queens then everything i learned about PU is wrong.
also, that guy is borderline ugly and isnt in shape. i'm lost, i thought girls were supposed to be responsive to PU not AFC game. WHAT IS HAPPENING? DO GIRLS REALLY WANT A NICE GUY WHO TREATS THEM LIKE A QUEEN? AND WHAT SHOULD I DO ABOUT IT?


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thank you kindly for your advice! basically i was looking too into it and being pessimistic. She really does want me, it's a good feeling.


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ok so my gf started talking to this guy, she told me that he is an old friend but lately she has been texting with him a lot and she invite him to all the parties we go and sometimes she starts dancing with him. She has become cold, she dosent text me anymore, but when we are drunk she starts kissing me she tells me she loves me and hugging me in front of him alot. I dont really know what to do. I really like her and I don't want to lose her. We used to text a lot but we dont do it anymore. I really feel like an "AFC" right now, because I dont know what to do

what should i do?
Dark, it sounds to me like it could be one of two things:

She lost interest in the relationship and isn't looking to reignite the spark; she is hoping that you will stick around so that she has the comfort of a boyfriend, but at the same time is out looking to see if there is anything better. Technically, the side-burner zone....and when she gets drunk in front of HIM, she is trying to run jealousy tactics on him to test him.

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You could have possibly triggered something in her that made her feel like things were getting too serious, or you were getting too needy, or clingy. Maybe because of those factors, she is in an escape phase or distance mode where she just wants some room to have fun and lighten up the relationship a little.

Either way, this is one of those things that you need to sit down and talk about. It wouldn't be fair for her to place you in a the sideburner zone and hook you just enough to keep you around. You have a right to know where the relationship is headed.

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'Sup Locke. I love this thread. There's so much info on how to get the girl, and so little on what to do next. You got this shit on Locke down :) Hope this thread flourishes. Even though it means more work for you! Maveric, Slyder great posts. Locke, I can't wait to read your words for Darkstang. We've all been there, I know I have. And, I handled it badly. What to do? Pray tell sir.
Peace yo!
Thanks for the love Kowalski! It is great to know that there are people out there that want to know this stuff too! Hope some of it becomes useful in the future. :)

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thank you kindly for your advice! basically i was looking too into it and being pessimistic. She really does want me, it's a good feeling.
Reassurance is a very IMPORTANT part of a relationship for men. Most of us won't admit it, but once we get into a relationship that is serious and deep...we need it. Too much of it isn't a good thing, but having it there definitely strengthens things--and it avoids pessimistic feelings.

Glad you solved it!

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