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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:51 pm 
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Notice how Jack and Void talk more about my women, than theirs.
I don't talk about your women unless I'm pointing out what you say vs. what you do. I only do that because you provide that information. I don't talk about my women because I don't need to say "look at me, I get girls and their hot, so please think I'm special."

And again, you are back at strawman tactics.

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Jack, what's wrong with you? Why do you refuse to post degrading photos of your long-term partner on a pickup artist forum?


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Jack, what's wrong with you? Why do you refuse to post degrading photos of your long-term partner on a pickup artist forum?
Arch has to always move to conspiracy theories to discredit. I have never once seen him point out anything when it comes to inconsistencies in statements or lack of congruence while he has littered the forum with those things about himself. But ask him to clear it up, he starts getting emotional and starts making shit up about everyone else. "They only get 4's and 5's". "He only gets fat chicks."

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OP, how did you get on this weekend?

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Jack, what's wrong with you? Why do you refuse to post degrading photos of your long-term partner on a pickup artist forum?
Arch has to always move to conspiracy theories to discredit. I have never once seen him point out anything when it comes to inconsistencies in statements or lack of congruence while he has littered the forum with those things about himself. But ask him to clear it up, he starts getting emotional and starts making shit up about everyone else. "They only get 4's and 5's". "He only gets fat chicks."
Different guys are into different women. Arch can't make other guys to be like him, that's the problem. Telling someone to act a certain way won't work, as experienced women will see through it.

I personally find and get on with Tomboyish girls better and get more out of it and better sex than with your typical HB8+. Natural beauty, a cheeky sense of humour and playful personality is far more inviting. I enjoy it more.

If I followed Archies advice to get with my latest, then i would have gotten blown out. But I am in a happy place, was myself and got it in the bag. Many women are different. Some like lots of conversation, others very little. I have learnt to match the convo rate of other women, and if i don't like their behaviour, then it's bye bye. I can now be more selective and know what I want.

The neediness factors, oneitis etc we all get, but the only way to solve that into improve yourself as an individual before approaching women. For some guys who come on here, it can takes years of work.

Arches approach may work for quick lays or for a certain type of woman, but others you have to dial into with a different approach. That takes more skill and thought.

I typically put women into two categories, wifeable or fuckable. The former take more work but worth the wait, the latter are easy lays but the sensation wears off after a while, and I move on.

It works for me, but won't for others.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:41 am 
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Arch can't make other guys to be like him, that's the problem. Telling someone to act a certain way won't work, as experienced women will see through it.
Arch can't even make himself be like him and it's documented here on the forum, but what you say about telling a guy to act a certain way that's outside of their character won't work is absolutely correct. This is where the whole concept of shit tests actually has weight. You act a certain way and a girl notices a lack of authenticity she may test you, or even worse, your act will cause you to believe you're getting tested when you don't know how to respond and things start to get awkward. Drop the performances and actually practice being authentic and engaging while expressing attraction for a woman. This stuff is way more simple than rebuilding your entire persona just to get a girl interested in you.

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Jack's advice for the needy and neurotic posters here is to "be your authentic self".

They are. And they're failing.


They fail because they need to improve their emotional intelligence.

If you never want to improve your body or your mind, you'll get what you deserve: 6's and 5's.

Social ascendency is work. If you want to be a doctor, you have years of school. If you want to be fit, you have years of gym. If you want to be the best chef, you have years of cooking.

And if you want to attract the kind of women you're attracted to, you have to work and develop skills as well.

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Jack's advice for the needy and neurotic posters here is to "be your authentic self".
That's you trying to twist words. I said practice being authentic and engaging while expressing attraction for a woman. With practice you become better. You capitalize on the strengths that you already have and with that will come confidence in who you are and that will eliminate so many unattractive qualities. Again, you can't grasp this because it's outside of your realm of understanding because at your core you are inauthentic. You're inauthentic with women and you are inauthentic on the forum.
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Social ascendency is work. If you want to be a doctor, you have years of school. If you want to be fit, you have years of gym. If you want to be the best chef, you have years of cooking.
This is exactly right! If you want to get good with women it'll take you years if you are trying to start by acting like someone else because that's not you. However, it won't take nearly as long if you tweak who you are right now.
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And if you want to attract the kind of women you're attracted to, you have to work and develop skills as well.
What skills do you need to develop to get the women that you're attracted to, Arch?

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It's important for readers to take note of certain red flags in these posts.

Notice how Jack and Void talk more about my women, than theirs.

Isn't it weird that my advice is peppered with specific personal anecdotes about my girlfriend (and other women I sleep with), while they never bring up their women....ever?

Very strange. You'd think, even by accident , by living a life with women in it, that their advice/posts would contain such anecdotes. Heck, a man would be happy to share his experience. Instead, what you get is non-specific copy and paste about "the place it comes from" and "speak your needs". Over and over.

I'm proud of my girlfriend, and proud of my social success. I live it, and therefore, by nature, it comes out in my posts.
"Anecdotes" you mean facts. Neo, our resident forum custodian I am sure can dig up the evidence.


You're nothing more than a shyster out to make a quick buck.

Why would I talk about my woman on here?

Lol, well as custodian....here are a few quotes from Jack and N2 on women in their lives:
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For example, I grew a goatee a few years back and I loved how it looked on me. All of a sudden I noticed women staring at me everywhere I went. In my mind it was the goatee. This girl that I dated for a few weeks, who approached me, eventually told me that I'd look better without it. But I liked it and it gave me a confidence boost, like you liked your watch and it gave you a boost as well.
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All good you're into black guys. Judgment free zone here homie.


The black chicks kinda 2/10 to me. I've dated several, one of which I was with for over 6 years, a complete dime piece.
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I dated someone like this for 3 years and it was traumatizing, to say the least. I would often exit the relationship for her only to return (and me to allow her back in). That was our cycle. I wanted more, and sought a stronger connection, but every time I did she'd pull away, often diminishing me, using shame as a tool, and any other way she could keep me at a distance including going radio silent for days on end (brutal).

I know you like this girl but is it worth your health and wellbeing?
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I'm 40, and started seeing a 25 y.o.. I've dated many younger women none of them having any issue whatsoever, in fact most seeming to have a preference for older males, not surprisingly. It's often them who have concerns that I'll have an issue with them being as young as they are.
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I suppose it could be like that in small towns. Where I live and the cities I've visited, female bartenders are a dime a dozen. The ones that I've dated get pursued a lot by men, but the way I approach them is not any different than any other woman.
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Several of the women I've dated have (by no fault of their own). I've yet to have one who withheld where she'd lived 1 month in.

Seriously give your head a shake.
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Pretty much every single one of my LTRs (I've had 6 spanning a year all the way up to 7) have been from cold approaches. I've never dated anyone from work, or to my recollection university even. I kinda like a woman who has a few core commonalities but beyond that a lot of different interests to help me broaden my own experiences.
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Sounds like my ex. I am still recovering from it 4+ months later...

The best parts were where she threatened my female friend to NOT invite me over in the evening again, months after we'd broken up, the contacting the police to tell them i was harassing her, listing herself on a sugar daddy dating site (guess a whore is a whore), and her making her own t-shirts with statements on them directed at me that she'd wear in the gym we both trained at.
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Gym chicks are easy to game. My ex I found at my gym just be careful as if she's a psycho you may have to leave gyms as I had to do.

Just do to stare at them, fly under the radar ask to work in and idle chat w them as they're used to guys trying to pick them up in the gym. Be humble but also understand you're not gonna escalate fast it may take a few encounters for her to be fully comfortable where u guys then set up some workouts together and take it from there. I've trained w so many hotties I had a rep at my gym, dated a few and serious rel w one but I'm also stupid jacked and usually take the mentor role helping.
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It's funny how guys think I'm screwing every girl I train with. I ve worked out with maybe 7 or more hotties from my gym within the past year. I come off to them as disarming, I dont stare at their ass and tits (at least obviously) like most guys do, and more often then not they want to workout - hell I had this young one tell me she wanted to take me to her place and f*ck the sh*t outta me. I find gym chicks very easy to approach as anything with practice, just don't be a creepo about it and you'll find most of them drop their guard pretty quick. Know when to book too (not hang around too much if she seems more interested in working out).
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And I think your goal is to help us exude sex appeal through an expression of body language. Women read body language like it was their first language, so little things can inadvertently cause DLV. For instance when I first started the walking test, I realized that when I approached people I would inadvertently touch my face. Women view that as a dishonest action subconsciously, and they would have been correct because I wasn't truly confident in the walk. Your body language can make you or break you.
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Not that I want to go back and forth with you because I don't. When I said she approached me, means that I didn't do the approaching. Therefore she initiated the contact in order for us to get close. So right now the only advice I could give is wait for them to contact you.
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However, I do know how women act. I've been the guy that a girl will talk negatively behind my back but at the same time she wants to introduce me to her parents. I've been the guy that a girl would say negative things about one of my friends and expressing their disinterest in him and then they later would be in long term relationships with them. That's why I believe that the rule of thumb should be is go with their actions and not words.
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To say that a woman will hit you up later because you did this is reaching. I've been flaked on, never reached out to the girl afterwards and have been hit up later. I can easily say that women love it when a man doesn't chase her and causes her to chase instead. Or I can say that a woman will see that I don't play games and looks at me as being more attractive than the other guys out there.
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I have women that try immature games with me all of the time. I don't give them the time of day once it becomes apparent. I even tell them that I don't play games afterwards and experience has taught me that they conform.
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I tell a girl that I don't play games because it's the truth. I don't have time for them. There's plenty of other girls that are just as hot or hotter that won't play games.
I'll stop there. Each one a different thread and from a simple search.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:20 am 
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Jack's advice for the needy and neurotic posters here is to "be your authentic self".

They are. And they're failing.


They fail because they need to improve their emotional intelligence.

If you never want to improve your body or your mind, you'll get what you deserve: 6's and 5's.

Social ascendency is work. If you want to be a doctor, you have years of school. If you want to be fit, you have years of gym. If you want to be the best chef, you have years of cooking.

And if you want to attract the kind of women you're attracted to, you have to work and develop skills as well.
You're strawmanning again...you're preaching improving body and mind like anyone here is against that.

Custodian time again....these lies have to stop.
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The problem is that getting good with women is a learning process and you have to get into the mindset that you can't take rejection personally, otherwise you will never be good at it. Get used to approaching a woman with the goal to improve from your last approach. If you're constantly/consistently getting rejected, you're doing something wrong. What is it? Figure that out and correct it instead of feeling like you lost the girl of your dreams. Each time you improve take that as a success.
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You don't do either. Instead, improve yourself. If you're not active, get a workout routine. If you're not social, find some social activities to become apart of. Become more attractive to more women and if your ex becomes a part of that group of attracted women, decide what you want to do from there.
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My thinking on this is you're right because you study because of where it takes you in multiple aspects of your life. That's self-improvement and I firmly believe that everyone should attempt to do that. My complaint is about the sociopathic direction that guys are going when it comes to attracting women to the point of where it becomes a mechanical process of where you are more focused on what step you are on with a woman in order to get her to drop her panties than you are with just being with the woman.
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Physically attractive men have the advantage but quickly lose it if his personality doesn't stand. Men, on the other hand, are more forgiving if the girl's personality sucks. A guy that can make himself attractive by working out, maybe grow some facial hair, dressed well, and well groomed has a better chance than a schmuck. That along becoming better in the presence of women, with PRACTICE, an average guy becomes an attractive guy and can get a more attractive woman.
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Please stop lying to win a debate. You know the guy talks about self improvement and no one here says these "platitudes" you keep making up. Everyone speaks about self improvement and developing skills here....thats not the argument Arch. Clarifying because its annoying seeing you straw man so much.


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Lol. Damn Neo.

Now if Arch will only answer the question of the skills that you need to develop but my guess is that he won't answer it. And that's because no matter what, it'll have nothing to do with any advice that he offers for the guys that are failing because of needy or neurotic behavior and being authentic won't prevent them from learning those skills.

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Give him time to concoct another argument to something that wasn't said. He's hard at work, rest assured.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:03 am 
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Give him time to concoct another argument to something that wasn't said. He's hard at work, rest assured.
His standard tactic is to wait for another thread to reinforce statements he's made in this thread. I hope it's his battle against authenticity.

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Give him time to concoct another argument to something that wasn't said. He's hard at work, rest assured.
His standard tactic is to wait for another thread to reinforce statements he's made in this thread. I hope it's his battle against authenticity.
At this point I couldn't give 2 f*cks to be honest. I've been busy with life and came back to this forum seeing that nothing's really changed with this guy's antics. Business must be quiet for him.


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OP, how did you get on this weekend?
Sorry this got lost in the arguing on my thread.

It went well. I think i was being too insecure and let that get to me. I guess i expected more messaging once we got together then when we were dating/ gaming


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