Have you ever thought about suggesting that you two have an OPEN relationship instead of a normal one?

I am sure she will freak out because sex won't be anymore a weapon.

nah I think open relationship wouldnt work for me... i not investing time in that... besides I do have feelings for her.

But I think on my end I stated caring less.... i am just sick of someone not giving a shit at all...
I had big plans for us but as I can see its might be a game for her , or maybe she never learned on how to have a serious relationship... She was fine at start, but I dont know if she ever learned to care for someone besides her family (mother and dog) ps she calls her mother when she gets to work and when she is done... even tho they live together
I cant even tell about what relationship she had with her father.... it might be the problem but now I am at the point where I care less

I think it might be the time to try some jealousy thing...
I havent really been out with my female friends and havent really been with them for long.
Just saying to go out and have fun...she might become jealous and I might realise that there are other people .....

I don't think you understood maria's point. She didn't say you should get into an open relationship. She said you should SUGGEST an open relationship, because then your girl would realize that she has no power over you. She would most likely freak out and try holding you somehow. If she doesn't freak out, well that suggests she's already in an open relationship with you, if you know what I mean...

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Sounds like a plan, i ll try to suggest it and see what happens.

I coming to the point where I am not sure if I want this? A person who can't really put couple of words together ... Or someone who takes for granted whatever I do... Do I really want to be with this person ? Someone who can be so easy manipulated by her mother. So I am not sure anymore if I need to play any games... I meant what holds for the future? It's getting to me ... I don't want to run around after someone who doesn't really give a shit or even attempts to be together... Besides - her mother will be there... And I am not sure if she is planning to leave... They seem to be building future together.. Both obsessed with politics and their dog... Hmmm time to make a decision if I want to pull on this cord anymore. Even if I play the open relationship card or jeoulosy ... Hmm what's after ? Same shit after ...? I am not sure anymore... I guess selfish people live much better lives

It is funny but this girl reminds me of my best mate in highschool. She was really close to her mother. It took her twice the time that it took to me and the rest of our friends to find a boyfriend.
When you talk about this girl is like I am reading about my best mate.
Well from my experience, and because I know this type of girl all I can say is that you take her TOO seriously. She NEEDS to do ALL the work to appreciate you. She is a follower.
At the moment she is following her mum. The more you beg and try to reason with her the less she sees you as a leader. She can follow like she follows her mum... she just needs to take the decision to change the leader that she is following. She won't do that unless she experiences strong feelings.
You need to treat her like a two year old toddler: dethrone her. Take her OUT of the centre of your attention. Go and flirt with other women. Go and have sex with other women. When she will lose your interest she will start asking what happened. Then you bring up the concept of the open relationship. It is important to bring up the concept of open relationship and you start sleeping around.
It will give you emotional power. It will also remove her power to be the only provider of sex. You will become more interesting because you will no longer follow her and do what she says.
The more you make her try to win your attention the stronger the feelings she'll have.
It might not sound the type of relationship that you want to start with her BUT if you are determined to be with this woman you have to somehow take the upper hand. Things might change in the future.
It is a triangle of a power game there. The leader now is the mother, the first follower is the girl and the third follower is you. IF you were the leader then there wouldn't be any problem.


Either you chose to leave or stay the answer for you is... go out and date.

Thank you Maria for answers! I am going with your suggestion ! I need to take this less seriously and see what's up with other girls))
Cheers!

yea little update: I started interacting and actually talking and having fun with people who I have been ignoring for the reason of her, and I finally joined a gym")
I started to notice start to care less about her behavior . which is awesome:) I will continue on as suggested:)

Lesson for me is in relationship if someone doesn't show affection as same as u do ... Don't try to show more affection in attempt to gain more... People don't really understand if you love them or not... They don't appreciate it .... But if u show them less- they notice ... Hmmm cat and string theory in real life it's a game always will be a game... Even in relationship. I am saying this because I wrote her a msg saying something naughty and passionate and she didn't respond and when I txt her saying her I am not seeing her in the morning and I am not walking my dog she responded well "too bad because I am "lol clearly can see that she thinks she's the shit... Like Maria said she a fucking spoiled child ... I responded with "ohhhh very good! Enjoy!))"... I really don't care if I see her tom or not...Let's take a a candy back.. It is my fault for responding positively when person behaves like shit.

It seems that you see clearly now.
Continue detaching and ignoring some of her texts. You are doing well

It's been on since the last post I pay less attention to her shit now... We went drinking and she said that she cares for me and bla bla bla that she doesn't care for a lot of people ...Anyway she expects more from me ... In a way such as bring on top of stuff and having goals... "It's hard for people to change but u can try ... "Anyway I think she is reflecting same as her mother reflects on her... And the mother is still there on every dog walk ... Sometimes it's weird plain weird ... Doesn't she want for her daughter to be alone and have a family ? To have a kid and stuff? She is like a snail attached... To ur vain ... I mean biological clock is ticking ... Or they just replace those emotions by having a dog ?! it's just plucking weird for me to see that ... Anyway pms behavior is fucking awful everytime from her... cold and moody... Cold and unresponsive ...How should I act just ignore it and just act as You Maria suggested? I think it's the right choice

You refuse to take the good advice you got to dump. This thread was tough to read and you don't sound strong, you sound pathetic. And I mean that sincerely with no disrespect. You're putting up with all this because you're desperate and its obvious you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself or walk. Doesn't sound like a good relationship. Talk or walk.

Hehe I did implement ur earlier advice , and no disrespect taken:)) it's just I did have a few... And just express some things that I was blind to. But the game gets better and advice really works more options and ladies already , I started to control my self more! I give a lot less shit now.... But when I drink ... You saw the upper post!) I just start to over analyze...

I don't know if you are a person that truly has no goals in life ( as she says) or you are weak and sat there listening to some moron telling you that you are not good enough. Which one is true?
You act like the mother is the ruler of universe. She is just a cockblock. If you were in a club and you had a beautiful girl and a cockblock you would had a wingman to keep the cockblock busy. How much different is this?
Dating other women was to empower you and detach you so you can see things clearly. You are still blinded by what the mother and the daughter says. You are still confused.
Cold and unresponsive is a person with no feelings, cold and moody is a person with no feelings that is annoyed by a person that has feelings. This is why I told you when you started talking about it to game her because she hasn't got strong feelings. However, after adding the rest of info I told you to just date other people.
At the moment she can sense that you have feelings. I agree with the last person that posted to you. You give an air of weakness because you let her be in control of yourself. You don't see what you want and go for it. You let her decide if you are good enough so she would say hello. That's wrong.