yeah thats great bro and while ur trying to be a fucking charming gentleman to a girl who is obviously playing with you you will get assfucked. there are different types of women, if she is intelligent i will respect her, if she tries to fucking game me thats not ok. "you have to earn it" wtf bullshit is that? Thats so disgustingly odd and immature to say, she not a fucking dominatrix. if a girl talks to a guy like that, it is obvious she is odd and does not have a high value of the man or is just a freak, so fuck her and u don't know wtf ur talking about.
A freak is an object, an intellectual is a woman

we are coming from different perspectives. I view women as great to be learned from and love pretty much all of them, you seem to have more negative views. Sure her saying "you have to earn it" is childish and immature, but does that mean the correct response is to be childish and immature back? There's ways of resolving this without bein a jerk. It sounds to me like the girl was just trying to flirt and is bad at it. She's trying too hard to be hard to get. This is not a behavior worthy of totally shunning her. Stuff like that is for when she kicks your dog or something. I think a better response would be something like. "Awww it's so funny when you play hard to get, you like a mouse and I'm a cat.. *pounces on her*" This statement shows that you the type of guy that is not effected by these games. Ignoring her and acting all cool like you don't know her seems pretty insecure and reactive in my opinion, but to each their own.

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Bluethunder, I'm not one for responding in online forums to complete bullshit but that's exactly what you've just spurted out...

How the fuck do you get away treating women like that!!?? Oh... wait a second you don't, you're fucking 14 years old! This girl is clearly just playing around, get some life experience under your belt.

With that mentality goodluck with your lifetime of sexual frustration friend!

yeah fuckbag its ignorant people like you who establish a false idea that age is congruent with intelligence. i am more fucking intelligent than u will ever be piece of shit i know exactly what i am doing and yeah just cause im getting a fucking head start im inferior. im better than u asshole (while also taking honors chem, English, physics and govec in 9th grade) so when im in college and a better pickup artist than u will ever be lets chat and ill fuck you over like the ignorant hollow pompous peice of shit u are.
have fun with your life of intellectual mediocrity and forum fucking loser.
ps ive fucked two seniors its not that hard when u know what ur doing

negative assumption this is pretty true, our iq remains close to the same trhoughout life. narcissistic negative assumption
i know exactly what i am doing and yeah just cause im getting a fucking head start im inferior. narcissistic (while also taking honors chem, English, physics and govec in 9th grade) at least somewhat positive, not much but a little lol negative assumption narcissitic bragging

Most people believe that 'a narcissist' is somebody who simply loves themself or is in love with themself in the manner that they are vain and bigheaded about it. This isn't true. The truth is that they hold an invisible psychological barrier made up of a false sense of self, namely their ego, which they hide their true emotions and persona behind. Behind this exterior they are emotionally weak and in reality suffer with extremely low self esteem. They build this false sense of self worth from narcissistic supply which helps to feed their ego and they do this by generally using and slandering everybody around them, spreading lies and rumours to make others look bad in order to make themselves feel and look good and they destroy the lives of everybody around them doing so. They will do this and then when confronted will make projections to make it look like everyone else is wrong and they are right and that everybody else is interfering in their business and causing them problems with lies and rumours. They also usually become extremely paranoid to the point where they go off the rails if they so much as hear that someone has mentioned their name, even in innocent conversation. NPD is a form of obsessive compulsive disorder and so they become obsessed with the false sense of self that they have created.

There are many types of narcissism out there, despite what you may read about narcissists being either cerebral or somatic. A somatic narcissist is someone who uses their body for constant adulation, adoration and attention basically by becoming a satyr or a nymphomaniac. A cerebral narcissist gains this attention by showing off their intelligence to make others seem inferior. There are also many other forms of the illness. Narcissists can be extremely difficult to spot and you can live with one all your life without realizing. One more common way to spot a narcissist is the fact that in conversation whatever is said they will somehow turn it around to relate it to themselves in some way and always talk about how it relates to them and their own experiences with disregard to everyone elses. Don't be fooled by the statistics of most sufferers of NPD to be male. This is also a misconception and statisical research shows that the figures are closer to 50% male and 50% female. Females are naturally more subtle and devious in their manner anyway so it's much easier for a female narcissist to get away with it. I have never met a male narcissist that I know of.

Typically, in a long term case, the narcissist has an ex-partner who is mentally ill in some way and usually has become dependant on alcohol or illegal drugs. This is the result of being subject to narcissistic abuse over a long period of time, though the narc will say that it was the alcohol and drug abuse that made them like it. Narcissists use very cleverly plotted emotional and mental abuse, verbal abuse and guilt to manipulate people around them, particularly their partner. However, they use hypnotic forms of communication to very cleverly hide the abuse using disguised embedded verbal commands and subliminal persuasion. Seeing as they have been practising this hypnotic art since they were a child, they become experts in it and have what is commonly described as a super human capacity. So much so, that they can use one person to get them to go and manipulate another by proxy. It is like their conscious is their subconscious. Narcissism can be described as a lack of empathy where the narcissist is unable to put themselves in anybody elses shoes so to speak, and cannot relate to how others feel though they will pretend they do. Narcissism develops naturally at the age of about six years old and is a necessity for life, but a traumatic experience can cause the growth of a persons personality to become stunted and they remain in the frame of mind of a six year old or on the other extreme, they are overly spoilt as a child. That is, they go through life playing pretend in the same way that a child does. Generally, when confronted and guilty, a narcissist will deny everything to the point where they will swear on their own childrens lives without a flinch then try to convince the other person that they were imagining everything and it was all in their head and that they are insane. Narcissists are highly skilled expert liars and some can even beat the polygraph. It is common behaviour to go around visiting their families and friends houses and causing a stir everywhere they go with more malicious allegations and generally causing uproar in their personal lives.

Over the years the people closest to and who live near the narcissist, particularly family and friends around them will start to point the finger and making accusations against the narc. They slowly all begin to realize who it is that has been slandering them and stirring up trouble and will eventually break off all contact and move away. The narcissist will always try to say that it was the other person/s concerned that was stirring up lies and slander and causing trouble for them and they will act as innocent as an angel and have everybody around them fooled, thinking that everybody is incorrectly pointing the finger at them, when in actual fact it was them doing the slandering all along. They usually have one very close friend who trusts them who they then turn to for sympathy in this case scenario. They really are that naturally skilled.

Whereas psychopathy is a lack of guilt or remorse and sociopathy is a lack of conscience, narcissism is a lack of empathy - they can not relate to another persons emotions.

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/discussion/narc ... r/1172676/

hmmmmm

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Tyhj, he is correct, please stop polluting the forums with negative remarks, unless you have something to contribute to the thread GTFO

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raf is right

i think she's basically saying, "i'm comfortable with you, but you have to attract me more"

learn about "buying temperature". it explains how men can manipulate a girl's emotions and strike while the iron is hot. i'm not saying to go out and do that, but it is an important concept to understand, when trying to figure out how women think.

why would you need to manipulate when you can get her just as horny without manipulation though? Seems like something just to fulfill an ego to me. I don't really need to manipulate people into doing things. They do things for me because I make them feel good around me, not bad. Persuasion yes, manipulation no.

I do agree with striking while the iron is hot as you said. If you have gotten a girl in the mood then jump on that opportunity, but as for me I try to create that opportunity in a way that is not manipulitive, but value giving.

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WO guys i like this thread do me a favour and stop shitting over it?
Try not to let clashing ideas escalate to something more. That is definately something these forums have taught me.

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there is a very fine line between persuasion and manipulation. I hardly differentiate between the two.

Its definitely better for two people to clash opinions... you see both sides and choose one to agree upon.. thats what forums are for.. to discuss

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agreed, but there is a distinction.
persuade - To successfully convince someone to agree to, accept, or do something, usually through reasoning and verbal influence. Compare sway
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/persuade

manipulate - fudge: tamper, with the purpose of deception; "Fudge the figures"; "cook the books"; "falsify the data"
rig: manipulate in a fraudulent manner; "rig prices"

Persusasion is getting people to do things that are within there will. You are attempting to change what their will is. Manipulation is getting people to do thinks that may not be so in line with their will. There is a fine line yes and one person could see a situation as just persuasion at the same time that another sees it as manipulation, but I think that is just mostly because we don't make the distinction socially clear enough. Persuasion produces something close to equality in the end. Manipulation produces a situation where one person maintains a much larger share of the power. The difference conversationally to me is getting people to accept what I say because they want to not because they feel like they have to. Arguement is a great way you can see others perceptions. I personally enjoy it when people challenge my beliefs because it either makes mine stronger or they give me a new perception that gives me a new and better way to see things. It's only "shitting on it" if we are personally attacking each other and close minded to others views. I don't think that's the case here. We all just trying to figure out how the world and women work.

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