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I know, but when she throws tantrums, or being highly disrespectful or anything I would next her. I never said nexting is better that trying to talk to a girl, but greatest punishment one can give is to withdraw your attention. Because women crave attention more than anything.

If one sets this kind of frame early in the relationship she'll know what are the boundaries. And I can't think of any better argument but guys have difficult time saying no to gf and ignore her bs because of the scarcity mentality. Hence, if they allow shity behavior they won't respect their man. And if they don't respect the man, how can they love him?

I really believe that you understand the point I'm trying to convey here, but we are looking at it from different angles and imagine different situations in which one can utilize this I guess.
I do understand what your point is, I simply don't agree with it.

Punishment is not a form of education. And being highly disrespectful is not something that just happens. You already fucked up if it gets there and no amount of punishment will fix that.

Point is, if you command respect (not to be confused with demand), you don't have to proactively enforce boundaries to make sure they're not being crossed.

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When girl starts to act bitchy for stupid reasons, you just don't take her serious. Girls are emotional, if you let her throw you out of the orbit by complaining about silly stuff you are allowing her to dominate the relationship.

How would you react if a five year old kid starts to crying about things that are irrelevant? If conversation doesn't work, act towards her like to a five year old, you're the man in relationship, right?

And if that doesn't work, next her for a day.
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So you next her, she chases you back to talk, things go fine, but she doesnt respect you still.
So you all are advocating what exactly? To walk away forever if the girl is immature? If you have a broken lamp in the house, you don't change the house, you change the light bulb. She 100% will chase you to talk back to her, and when it comes to that...

You make it clear why you didn't talk to her, and STATE your fucking ground, the next time she'll act immature you'll leave. Don't tell me if a girl is immature she'll always act that way, kids are immature too? How do parents teach kids to have some manners? By punishment. Any way, it's important you to set the rules no matter what it takes.
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Cant tell you how many girls have hit me up when their bf is playing the he's not picking up his phone game after a fight. Dont play games with women who you have an emotional connection with. Because women win those games in the end.

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"he's not picking up his phone game after a fight"

That's why you NEXT her before there is a fight, you NEVER fight with women! You said women always win, of course they do. You as a man, should never allow yourself to have a fight with her (by that I mean trying to communicate to much LOGIC to women, we all know the women operate mostly on EMOTIONS) over anything, but you can have a conversation with them. As soon as they start acting like a bitch, you distance yourself to AVOID fight. You should not be so easily manipulated into one.
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1. As soon as she starts giving you drama, give her about 20 to 30 seconds to say what’s bothering her. After that, if she keeps giving you drama (yelling, complaining, crying, refusing sex, demanding, whatever), immediately execute the soft next. Do this IMMEDIATELY. Do not argue with her for 20 minutes then soft next. No, no, no. A soft next must be done immediately or else it just looks like you’re pouting because you “didn’t get your way”.

2. STAY CALM. DON'T GET MAD. SAY NOTHING. DON’T TALK. SHUT UP!
After you next her sorry, whiny ass, you talk to her and try to fix the fucking bulb. This time note her that if she'll start acting like a kid again, the discussion will be over before it began. If she insist on acting like a brat, you then have my permission to change the fucking house and walk away from her BECAUSE you were right, she's emotionally immature and NEXTING wont work.


Because of that, nexting is a great tool for (at least) filtering girls who's attraction and interest level is high enough to try to out their own ego aside to salvage the relationship which is quality in girls I highly appreciate (even if they really did something that caused me to next her) and then I can put my ego aside too.

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Point is, if you command respect (not to be confused with demand), you don't have to proactively enforce boundaries to make sure they're not being crossed.
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Pretty thin line there. But I get what you are saying.

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That's why you NEXT her before there is a fight, you NEVER fight with women! You said women always win, of course they do. You as a man, should never allow yourself to have a fight with her (by that I mean trying to communicate to much LOGIC to women, we all know the women operate mostly on EMOTIONS) over anything, but you can have a conversation with them. As soon as they start acting like a bitch, you distance yourself to AVOID fight. You should not be so easily manipulated into one.
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1. As soon as she starts giving you drama, give her about 20 to 30 seconds to say what’s bothering her. After that, if she keeps giving you drama (yelling, complaining, crying, refusing sex, demanding, whatever), immediately execute the soft next. Do this IMMEDIATELY. Do not argue with her for 20 minutes then soft next. No, no, no. A soft next must be done immediately or else it just looks like you’re pouting because you “didn’t get your way”.

2. STAY CALM. DON'T GET MAD. SAY NOTHING. DON’T TALK. SHUT UP!

After you next her sorry, whiny ass, you talk to her and try to fix the fucking bulb. This time note her that if she'll start acting like a kid again, the discussion will be over before it began. If she insist on acting like a brat, you then have my permission to change the fucking house and walk away from her BECAUSE you were right, she's emotionally immature and NEXTING wont work.


Because of that, nexting is a great tool for (at least) filtering girls who's attraction and interest level is high enough to try to out their own ego aside to salvage the relationship which is quality in girls I highly appreciate (even if they really did something that caused me to next her) and then I can put my ego aside too.
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So you all are advocating what exactly? To walk away forever if the girl is immature? If you have a broken lamp in the house, you don't change the house, you change the light bulb. She 100% will chase you to talk back to her, and when it comes to that...

You make it clear why you didn't talk to her, and STATE your fucking ground, the next time she'll act immature you'll leave. Don't tell me if a girl is immature she'll always act that way, kids are immature too? How do parents teach kids to have some manners? By punishment. Any way, it's important you to set the rules no matter what it takes.
I can't speak for anyone else on this thread, but here's how I see things:

Personally, a relationship for me is supposed to be stress free. At least with respect to UNECESSARY stress. Life has so many things going on in it, that if I call a girl my gf, its not to deal with tantrums, disrespect, jealousy or all that other bs. That's why Im selective at the beginning with who I get serious with. It's not to keep her, or impress her...its to relax, connect and have fun. I shouldnt have to play games, I shouldnt have to manipulate.

I don't see women as kids, at least the women I take seriously. I dont treat them as kids because they dont act like kids. I shouldnt have to teach a gf how to be respectful to me, that should never be an issue. Its a girlfriend. If I had to worry abt a chick, she shouldnt be my gf. And she would have never gotten to that stage. Parents have to teach their kids manners, because its THEIR kids. They created them. I have no obligation nor inclination to put up with stuff from a woman because its not my responsibility. We just wont be compatible, no big deal.

I dont believe in setting boundaries or rules because its just crazy to me. If I have to teach you to respect me, you shouldnt be my gf in the first place. If I have to do something to get you not to flirt with other men, you shouldnt me my gf. I look for women on the same level of maturity...I dont try to change the immature chick into a mature one. That alone is too much effort, I'm lazy and its not my job when there are other women out there. To use your lamp analogy; I don't pick a broken lamp when I'm shopping for lamps and try to repair it. I pick the lamp that working properly.

Some things are just basic requirements for me. Respect, loyalty, maturity. You dont have those, you're not even considered gf material. You could me hot, and funny and we get along great. But I know which women to take seriously and which not to. What you're saying is like an employer saying he has to train a new hire to not steal. I can help a girl learn to enjoy watching Game of Thrones, cause I like that show, and its no big deal either way. I can't be bothered to teach a woman to act respectful towards me.

I dont subscribe to this view that women are kids, or just emotional, or immature, or can be bitchy sometimes. I dont accept that in any form. And hence, I don't pick those women. When you accept these things, thats what you'll get. When I hear people say that they're ok with dating women who operate mostly from emotion, thats the craziest thing to me. Its so outside my reality. Its like someone saying cars come without tires. Its just how they are.

For the rec, I'm advocating being selective with who you give that gf title to. I dont believe in punishing a gf; I dont date women who I need to treat like kids. And likewise, they dont have to treat me like a kid if I fuck up. If a woman does something unattractive to me, I dont punish her. I will be turned off. I naturally will act differently. Pick women who arent looking to fight, instead of those you gotta next before they fight.

I dont believe in changing a woman. I can't control someone nor do I want to. I only believe in picking women who I dont need to change, or who when they fuck up, want to change themselves.


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When I hear people say that they're ok with dating women who operate mostly from emotion, thats the craziest thing to me. Its so outside my reality. Its like someone saying cars come without tires. Its just how they are.
All women operate mostly from emotion, like all men operate mostly from logic. That doesn't mean they're crazy or unstable or whatever the stigma for that would be. It also doesn't mean operating on emotion is mutually exclusive to maturity, being respectful and allround a normal human being.

I understand what you're saying and agree with you, but I think you're interpreting the idea in a bit of a negative light.

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Pretty thin line there. But I get what you are saying.
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When I hear people say that they're ok with dating women who operate mostly from emotion, thats the craziest thing to me. Its so outside my reality. Its like someone saying cars come without tires. Its just how they are.
All women operate mostly from emotion, like all men operate mostly from logic. That doesn't mean they're crazy or unstable or whatever the stigma for that would be. It also doesn't mean operating on emotion is mutually exclusive to maturity, being respectful and allround a normal human being.

I understand what you're saying and agree with you, but I think you're interpreting the idea in a bit of a negative light.

I really dont agree with that sentiment, and have racked my brain trying to think of how that could be true. When its said that women operate from emotion mostly, and men from logic mostly, what does that mean? Does a woman choose her career differently from how a man does?(emotionally vs logically). Does she choose a gf differently from how a man does? Like are women dating men for emotional reasons and men choose over logical ones? Because thats not true. Does a woman choose what she is going to eat for breakfast differently from how a man would? I mean, what actions, or decisions are made differently between men and women? I can only say women communicate emotionally more than men, but I cant see any differences in how a man makes a choice, or does and action that is based in logic, vs a women.

Can you or anyone else provide some clarification on what it means to say women operate emotionally, and different from men? It is always said women are emotional, men logical, but what does it really mean? How exactly do they operate differently? Some examples of some choices or actions they make differently


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In my opinion operating primarily on feelings is not something that surfaces in day to day calm situations. Choosing what to eat or what college to go to are decisions made in controlled environments and don't carry much intensity.
In most trivial cases logic agrees with emotion.

The difference I think surfaces in scenarios of intense emotional load. Like an overtime builtup feeling of neglection, that results like I explained to the OP in her being jabby with things such as you hanging out with friends. Logically she has no problem with that. Emotionally she feels neglected and her actions reflect it.

Another example is in situations where physical integrity may be at risk. A woman may break down and cry. She feels panic so she panics. You feel panic too but you control it. Maybe it's evolutionary, since resilience to panic and keeping a cool head increased your chances of survival, and men were exposed to that much more often.

I'm not saying this is always the case. I'm just saying that in my experience women are more susceptible to letting feelings influence actions than men, and understanding how to handle that is crucial in having a healthy relationship. Obviously what you say about not making an idiot your girlfriend is 100% true, but everyone can have bad days.

I'm using the you hanging out with friends example because it's the most iconic for me. I used to get that when I was younger, and always wondered if she had some sort of mental retard if something like that could ever bother her. And I was completely oblivious to the underlying reason.
Understanding how women "work" in that regard, for lack of better term, is one of my biggest revelations so to speak.

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Those statements derive from emotion dictating action. I really think it's important for inexperienced guys to be able to recognize that and attack the problem at it's source, aka confronting how she's feeling, rather than attacking it in a logical manner which will never make sense to them. And how would it? because it doesn't.

Anyway, that's how I see it and that's what experience thought me.
Like I said, I don't think it's a radical difference. It's a subtle one, but it surfaces in sensitive situations.

Do you think that's incorrect?

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All women operate mostly from emotion, like all men operate mostly from logic.
This.

Huge eye opener. If this wasn't true, huge romantic gestures and over investment would be an instant way out of the friendzone. Also, my ex thread wouldn't need to exist lol. Guys would just logically persuade them back, like I used to try to.

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I'll post a response to yours when I get to a comp rc. I like your argument but some problems with it.

Jd... Lol. That's some roundabout logic there... Will respond to that too. That doesn't relate whatsoever


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It doesn't relate? I quoted him and agreed with him. Lol.

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The difference I think surfaces in scenarios of intense emotional load. Like an overtime builtup feeling of neglection, that results like I explained to the OP in her being jabby with things such as you hanging out with friends. Logically she has no problem with that. Emotionally she feels neglected and her actions reflect it.
If someone's bf or gf spends alot of time with their friends as opposed to them, they'll feel neglected. A man would feel neglected in the same scenario. The emotion isnt exclusive to a sex, same way a man can feel jealous as a woman can feel jealous. In both cases, the "neglected" party's actions will reflect that something is wrong.
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Another example is in situations where physical integrity may be at risk. A woman may break down and cry. She feels panic so she panics. You feel panic too but you control it. Maybe it's evolutionary, since resilience to panic and keeping a cool head increased your chances of survival, and men were exposed to that much more often.
Same here. Panic is not exclusive. The real difference is that men and women, EXPRESS their emotions differently, but they still feel the same emotions. If a lion ran into a classroom filled with men and women, both sexes would run the hell out.
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I'm not saying this is always the case. I'm just saying that in my experience women are more susceptible to letting feelings influence actions than men, and understanding how to handle that is crucial in having a healthy relationship. Obviously what you say about not making an idiot your girlfriend is 100% true, but everyone can have bad days.


Women are more susceptible to expressing their feelings, but I'd say no more susceptible than men for having those feelings influence their actions. Jealousy is jealousy. Neglect is neglect. If you feel these emotions in a relationship, they'll influence what you do. A woman may feel neglect and may start arguments over it. A man may feel that same level of neglect, but may remain silent, not because he can control it better, but because men are not encouraged to express himself. He may mope, come on a forum and look for answers. Look at how many threads there are of guys feeling miserable, yet their gfs never know. Then the guy grows distant, or gets rude, or tries to make her jealous. Just different sides of the same coin. Emotions are influencing them both, just women can express them.
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I'm using the you hanging out with friends example because it's the most iconic for me. I used to get that when I was younger, and always wondered if she had some sort of mental retard if something like that could ever bother her. And I was completely oblivious to the underlying reason.
Understanding how women "work" in that regard, for lack of better term, is one of my biggest revelations so to speak.

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Those statements derive from emotion dictating action. I really think it's important for inexperienced guys to be able to recognize that and attack the problem at it's source, aka confronting how she's feeling, rather than attacking it in a logical manner which will never make sense to them. And how would it? because it doesn't.
All of this applies to men as well. I used to think women were just these crazy emotional characters, but then I realized that they're less different than most men. Dudes cry for girls after a breakup, dudes feel insecure in relationships, they may be pissed off at work and act mopey when they get home. What happens is girls are more open about their emotions, whereas guys hide it. For eg, I've had male friends who were macho and seemed like they had everything in order. Talk to their gf or ex and come to hear this dude would cry on her shoulder because he was insecure she would leave him, or he gets sad over shit at work, or he's throwing tantrums over his friends not inviting him to soccer. My point is, emotions are universal, they control us all to some degree, and just because women are more outwardly emotional, doesnt mean they're influenced more than men.
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Like I said, I don't think it's a radical difference. It's a subtle one, but it surfaces in sensitive situations.
I agree there are subtle differences but thats not the same or close to Most women operate mostly on emotion and men on logic. I say this because women are adults. And most dont operate on mostly emotion, we all are influenced by emotion but we control it to some degree. The girl who's throwing tantrums, most likely isnt throwing tantrums at work. So they can control themselves. They are logical and if you're with one, if she gives a fuck about you she will control her emotions.
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This.

Huge eye opener. If this wasn't true, huge romantic gestures and over investment would be an instant way out of the friendzone. Also, my ex thread wouldn't need to exist lol. Guys would just logically persuade them back, like I used to try to.
Love, romance, attraction are not logical in the first place. Most people dont date for logic. Men or women. When you say that this proves women are emotional and men logical, and back it with evidence from relationships/dating thats disingenuous. Women can't logically persuade a man to get back with nor can attract a man through big romantic gestures, so in that case, this would be proof that men operate mostly from emotion too. Someone cant say BMW is luxury, Mercedez is generic, then you say this is true because BMW has steering wheels. You can't use dating as a test of logic, because there's no logic in dating in the first place. Also you cant describe something that holds true for both sexes when they are being contrasted. Ironically, that comment is not logical lol.


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I'm not saying that a man could be persuaded through logic or any of that. But the fact of the matter is that women are a lot more emotional and men are a lot more logical. That doesn't mean that the roles can't be reversed - just like men are physically stronger but a woman can still be stronger than most men.

Got this from an article talking about a scientific study on the topic:

Women have a larger limbic system than men, making it easier for them to identify/understand their emotions. Men have a difficult time understanding emotions not specifically verbalised but can think more logically, while women have a more wholesome view of thinking & understanding but their emotions can sometimes influence decisions.

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