kadak8:

When a woman says they “need to talk” to you, it’s never good news. Keep that in mind.

My guess is that she wants to tell you that she’s still not over her ex and that she wants to take things slow. Either that or she has herpes. One of the two.

If it’s the former, then you need to reframe it so that it seems that YOU are the one who wants to take things slow, not her. “Phew, thank God we’re on the same page. Frankly, I was worried you were taking things too serious, that’s why I backed out a little”

DON’T SAY: ok, as you wish, we’ll take it slow.

I’m sensing that you need to get out of her frame and make her get into yours. “you need to make it up to me”. “we need to talk”. Bull shit. “you need to suck my dick” “we need to fuck”.

Maybe I’m wrong, dude. Honestly you haven’t given us many details. This is what I can gather from the few lines you’ve written, the fact that she didn’t call in 9 days, fact that she just broke up with her bf of 5 years, and due to my pessimistic point of view regarding women in general.

No matter what, keep being alpha and aloof. You’re the prize. You’re the one that came all over her last week. She’s the one that squirted and came multiple times in your bedroom.

Keep us posted

UPDATE:
I just met this friend of mine (boyfriend of a good friend of HB9). He's a good friend of mine, we had some beers and I also got some additional insider info from him:
-HB9 was the one dumping her bf
-Her ex was first ok with is, but now he's been trying hard to ger her back (I hear he even cried in front of HB9 asking her to come back)
-She still sees her ex sometimes and they have sex occasionally
-Her ex is a true asshole, but could somehow have a 5yr LTR with HB9
-She's a kinda girl who almost never contacts anyone first! Not even her best girl friends. She even admits it. She has a reputation like this. She's honest at least
I agree with this one. But how do I response if she says this?
Excellent point! I have to agree here and do this.


Given this situation, I find it extremely hard it to be me always contacting her without coming across too needy. Start proving myself? This is totally contary to showing her that I AM the prize.

Pryor, additional info here, but it's too long really:
previous-vt86168.html
wtf-is-this-test-vt124913.html


I really apprerciate you contribution guys!

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You froze her out for 9 days, it didn't work, try another approach. Being needy would be seeking her validation too much. "Do you like me?", "Are you feeling ok?" "Are you mad at me?"

You can contact a girl without being needy. Maybe only call her when you want something.

Judging from her ex and her reluctance to call you first or ever. She might just want a take charge kind of guy. She's been in long term relationships and hasn't given much thought to it until now. She's probably the compliant type who wants a man to dictate her life. Even though he is an asshole he fills that gap for her. You don't provide the security that she craves. Perhaps her ex over negged her and chipped away at her self confidence to create a gap that he could quickly fill. I've been in the situation MANY times where a woman leaves me for her abusive ex. It makes no sense to me. I'm not saying he's abusive either, women tend to over exaggerate and play victim to get attention, also some men figure out that firm controlling behavior gets them the girl and they go with it.

5 years is a long time so don't take anything that happens personally. I think you have a good shot. She's just being a woman. Taking her sweet ass time deciding. lol. Keep up with what you are doing because it seems to be working.

some girls just are old fashioned and want a man call to her. if you call and shes happy, whats the problem then. or if it is a big problem for you, just ask her about it. without making this a problem of cource.

Dude, I read the other threads. This girl is Russian. I think the conversation won't be anything bad. You've done things by the book.

Be alpha today.

Keep us posted

Good luck!

How did it go?

Last night went great, but there was no serious talking at all! weird... Maybe she changed her mind about somehting?
Anyways we had sex 3 times, it turned out that she was into anal as well, so it was an awesome night! I didn't use any gaming basically, nothing other than being cocky and funny (maybe I should have used some future projections). The only thing is that I just couldn't come no matter how hard I tried, which made her seek for validation and she kept asking me if it was good for me (she had several orgasms). She kept asking if I was enjoying sex with her and why couldn't I come. Of course it was fantastic, i just had anal sex with a HB9, soo no question about it! I let her know that she was extremely sexy and tempting, its just the alcohol working in my system and preventing me to have an orgasm. But really I'm starting to think that I might be overly cautious when doing it without any protection...

I still feel that the main problem is yet to be solved... How do I get her to initatie contact? How do I get her more invested?
The reason I want her to initiate contact is 1) I don't want to train her to think of our "relationship" as it's always me who initates 2) to get her more invested.

We have another date planned for Saturday night, let's hope for the best. I don't want to freeze her out again, but I just want her to be the one who sets up the next date, or al least initates contact after Saturday.

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Way to go. You are in control. You seem to know what you’re doing. Keep doing it.

Not coming was a great move.

Re contact & investment: You said your mutual friend told you she’s like this? Maybe it’s a cultural thing. I think you’ll eventually need to talk to her about it, but now is not the right time. Right now you need to concentrate on fucking her. Fuck her good and fuck her hard. How do you get her more invested? Fucking her good and hard.

You need her to become addicted to your cock. She must think “there’s no reason why I should fuck my ex bf while kadak8 is fucking me the way he is fucking me. He makes me come so hard”.

On Saturday you need to come all over her tits. You haven’t mentioned any dirty talk. You also haven’t mentioned anything about licking her asshole. I think you should take it to the next level. Dirty talk is crucial if you want her to be invested. Read this thread.

how-to-fuck-your-woman-alpha-style-vt122553.html

Let us know how tonight goes.

The date went fantastic. We went iceskating, bumped into a few mutual friends, also her friends, that was a lot of fun. Than back to my place, had some amazing sex. Than in the shower again. Than sex in the morning again. Than tried to watch a movie on my laptop but we ended up having sex again. I had to leave in the afternoon but it was a great weekend after all. She also gave me some silly nickname.

I took your advice regarding the sex part, except for the dirty talk part, I find no way of integrating it into my game. This time I also came twice, so she wasn't anxious about weather or not I was enjoying sex with her. Of course it was fantastic.

But then the main problem is still there. How do I get her to initiate meetups? How do I get her to initate contact?
I don't want to train her to think of us as it's always me who initates.

Should I try flaking? Me cancelling one date? Would that be any beneficial? I don't think I should just tell her straightforward to fuckin set up dates, call me and text me all the time

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Sounds like you are doing things by the book.

Regarding dirty talk: seems like you were sober on Saturday. I find it harder to talk dirty to a woman when I’m sober. Since this will be your first time doing it, I highly recommend that you are drunk at the time.

Read the thread I linked to again. Start slow. But it’s very important that you incorporate it into your sex sessions. Trust me. It will separate you from the bunch. You guys will connect and take things to another level. She will see you more and more like the alpha male you are.

Regarding initiate meet ups/contact: I’ll be honest, IMO the man is the one who should initiate meet ups, unless the woman gets invited to a specific party or something and she tells her man “oh, and btw, we’re going to xxx on Saturday”. At least that’s the way I roll with my gf, especially at the beginning of the relationship.

She did initiate contact, though, so I sense this might be a problem. I keep a 3:2 ratio of txt messages sent. Maybe even a 3:1.

If this chick is not sending txts during the week, then my recommendation is to not send txts during the week either. Then, when you want to see/fuck her, you can send a txt or call to arrange the meeting.

I wouldn’t try flaking, or cancelling one date. Things are going well. Keep fucking her every week. Try to detach yourself emotionally a little. Keep in mind that she just broke up with her ex of 5 years. And you said they still fuck from time to time? Any more info regarding this?

I also don’t see the problem in speaking with her… eventually (not now). Communication is key for a relationship to work. “Listen, Russian chick, blah blah blah”.

For example, my gf was very cold, and I wanted her to be more affectionate. I told her “I know you are a cold person, but that shit is not gonna work with me. You need to show me some love if you want to keep me happy.”

But you two are just starting, and the fact is you don’t even know where you stand. It is looking good, I’ll give you that. But if I were you, I would only concentrate on fucking the living shit out of this woman every time I saw her. I would try to give her the best sex she’s ever had. Dirty talk and ass licking are key.

I think your story is interesting. Keep us posted, or feel free to send a PM.

Hmm... I've a feeling this is going to end badly for you my friend. Women who have been in long term relationships with so called "arseholes" usually end up thinking about them alot more than nicer guys.

I think it's because of the emotion that the guy generates in them.. even though it's negative, its very powerful, especially over a period of time.

Although I don't respect their methods, I am jealous at the way these "arseholes" are able to get under girls skin like this... I've yet to achieve that level of ability.

I also think that they have such a degree of "don't give a shit" that it's awesome and unbeatable. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to have an HB10 at your beck and call and just walk out on her when she pulls some shit, and not care about the consequences? Stunning!

Zan

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I got the girl, got her into bed on the second date... she was calling and texting non-stop... we saw each other 2 or 3 times a week for 3 weeks then we went on a weekend away together. Amazing romantic weekend, lots of fun but then after the weekend together, she started to pull away. her 25 messages per day turned to 2 and no phone call. 3 days into it, she told me that she had just been very busy at work and couldnt see me until next week (bullshit excuses since i know she's going out w her friends on friday, so clearly if she wanted she could make time one evening this weekend, saturday or even sunday)

I happen to really like this girl and I tried to avoid "gaming" other girls at the same time for the past 3 weeks that i have been hooking up with her...so I ve cut myself a bit from my other options.

What do I do? how do i reel her back in? Any text message example i can use to get her to stop whatever she's doing to meet up. I know if i see her, she'll be mine again guaranteed, she couldnt keep her hands off me.

We always talk about flaking in the context of a girl you haven't gotten yet, but what happens when you got the girl, she was all over you and now she's taking steps backwards... was it too much too soon? is she a bit scared? should i reassure her or should i move back myself and get back on the case of my outside options?!?

Pryor, I agree with most of the things you recommend and I've already taken most of your advice. But just fucking her brains out not gonna work on the long run. I guess I would have to show her indirectly how ambitius and valuable person I am and she can have a future with me. Let's not forget that HB9 is turning 28 soon. What matters to lots of girls in her age is weather or not I have a future and where we would go on holiday this summer.

She just set up a date for Friday, it's such a big step forward (hoooray!). She says it's a surprise for me... But than I'm also seeing her tonight at my place (after 3-4 days). Today (Thurday) we ll have some vine and a watch a movie and she sleeps here.

A red flag is that HB9 still has some pictures on her facebook where she is togheter with her ex. Not like kissing, but hugging and things like that. I don't know if it matters now? Just after 1 month.

Now I came to the decision that it would be cool to have HB9 as my gf. I won't ask her to commit tho. She should come up with this idea on her own. How do I get her to initiate meetups? Keep doing what she just did, for the 1st time! How do I get her to initate contact out of the blue?


ZannyUK, her ex was an asshole indeed and took being dumped easily at first. At least he acted like that. But then 2 months ago he was literally crying and begging HB9 to take him back. That's some serious DLV. Saying things like he would change blah blah. But than they were also on n off for the last 10 months before HB9 dumped that guy and moved apart.
maxpower82, I would guess they were emotionally so-so with her ex, and it was the guy dumping your girl at the end. Can you confirm?

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K:
Yes, it will.
I told you to be patient. As long as you keep fucking her good and hard, and making her come, she will initiate calls and dates. You are doing things perfectly. Keep doing things this way and she’ll be obsessed with you. Don’t pay attention to these other guys.

You need to keep fucking her good and hard. You need to keep licking that asshole every time you fuck her. You need to start incorporating dirty talk into your game.
Let us know how it went. I hope you fucked her brains out. I hope you came all over her tits. I hope you told her she’s a whore and that her pussy belongs to you.
That’s not a red flag. Nothing to worry about. Don’t even check her fb.
Exactly! Don’t even mention this for the next couple of weeks. I need more info before I can advice you, but don’t mention this to her. Let me know how things went this weekend and how hard you fucked her, and what she said after you came all over her tits.
Did she not initiate contact? Is she not txting during the week? What happened this week? How did she end up planning that date?

Relax dude, this chick is yours to lose. You’re doing things very well.

Keep it up dude, you're doing really well