Glad you're so honest about your shortcomings.

I find it significant that the guys on here who claim to be the best are not bragging about pickup skills, they're bragging about their RELATIONSHIP.

Makes me wonder about this forum.

Dragula was a true pickup artist, though. But he's gone.

Significant how?

Same here. My girls is 22, has a degree in business management and runs her own store.


Glad to have her, she's very open minded (as you've seen) and nothing but fun.

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I don't think you've ever heard me brag about anything. I don't think you've heard R.C, Neo, Void, Eddie Fews, Heywood, M.C., any of the mods brag about their relationships or pickup skills as if they are better than anyone else. I've never seen anyone try to make anyone else prove anything here until Arch.

You can feel free to not post on the forum if you find it questionable. There are others forums that you may make you feel more comfortable.

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Enjoy her then, no need to prove anything when you post photos of your girl obviously its going to incense some people. Its about picking your battles. Now the conversation has gone so far off track from the topic, I am not sure its helpful to anyone.

As a side note (and as I've been saying) a lot your advice is so focused on power dynamics and vying for the upper hand in a relationship that it leaves little to no room for establishing anything healthy. Maybe this works for you now, perhaps the relationship you have is still young, or maybe you're very different with your partner than you lead on this board. Or perhaps the relationship is pretty toxic (or leading down the rabbit hole) and you're either in denial or dissociate yourself from it. Regardless, thats the beef most of us have with your advice as it does perpetuate this "women need to be manipulated" mindset that is not conducive to building healthy, secure bonds with your partner. I get that this is a Pickup board, but all-in-all its about relationships and in particular having a healthy one with yourself first and foremost (many people don't even know what this looks like).

Jack makes a good point. Arch, perhaps there are other PU forums that are more inline with your views.

Because forming a healthy relationship is a lot different than showing girls magic tricks at a bar. I'm saying it's actually a good thing. Most girls at bars/clubs are putting on fake personalities while they're there, anyway.

A relationship is the end result of "game," anyway.

Agreed. Glad you see this, and that someone's paying attention;)

"PUA" is mainly oriented to night spots, places where the demographic of women are not ones really all that interested in relationships, OR may want one but haven't the slightest inkling as to what one looks like. So it comes down to intent, YOUR intent. If that's what you want, then by all means partake. If you want something more substantive, then generally speaking look elsewhere to find someone to build something meaningful with.

Yea I think a lot of girls go through a ONS phase.

The girl I'm talking to used to do that, but doesn't anymore.

Of course, a lot of girls will be DTF with the right person. Sometimes, even if they're in a relationship. Often, they may feel trapped in a relationship and want to mentally escape.

Like Mystery says, "there's no way to win!"

If you have a secure bond with your partner she won't cheat.


PUA is built-upon insecurity on both ends: it instills this notion in guys they better play right or lose the girl, and it helps guys find targets (vulnerable, insecure women) to prey upon. Its dishonest and predatory by nature and exploits insecurities in both people; its vacuous and has no place in building healthy bonds.