I met with my girl today and we did a deep conversation about the things that happened.

So we decided to remain just friends (and I was OK with that) but I knew it will go further than that. And yes it did at the end of the date she invited me in her place and we kissed and "felt each others bodies".

But when I try to escalate (like to stimulate her on the vagina or try to dress her down she resists). And tell me "better not rush". She says I'm confident but sometimes I come as too impudent.

Eventually after the conversation we had she told me she didn't felt that we had some deeper emotional and spiritual connection so that she can become in love with me. She told me that is attracted to me but still cannot trust me completely. But the interesting thing is when we discus some interesting topic (science or art) together some deeper connection is going on.

Its not a girl I just want to bang. (I want to have sex with her, but I also want to be friend with her - we share same passions to some extend). I say that I want it but I don't desperately need it. Don't understand me wrong, I don't want to manipulate or trick her in any way.

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Why the hell do you keep calling her your girl?! As I've said before at least twice to you you keep pushing it and seeing too much with this girl. Find a girl who actually likes you. This is a bad one itis

Well by my girl I don't mean I own her. And yes she likes me - why else she will kiss me and hold me at my crotch...

We don't see too much 3 times a week max. (actually we've not seen each other for a week since last time)

I just don't know if I really don't rush her is she going to feel more comfortable. But the only way to find out is time. Time will tell it.

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You miss what I'm saying so I'll write a formal reply:

You have called her your girl in this thread and others, as if you two are together. Yes, she likes you, but from her actions in this and other threads (flaking, no sex, answering calls when fooling around and leaving, giving you reasons why you two arent compatible, and now telling you let's be friends) she's not serious about you. She may "like" you and may like messing around when she's ready, but she's not serious about getting into a relationship and the connection you think is there isn't. Tbh, I won't be surpised if she is sleeping with someone else.

A girl answering the phone when you're with her, is really telling of how much she is into you. A girl answering the phone when you're half naked together, is MORE telling of how much she is into you. A girl LEAVING when you've done candles and shit is MORE telling of how much she's into you. And finally, a girl contacting you 2 days later is MORE telling of how much she's into you. Her telling you let's remain friends is her saying I'm not serious about you or trying to be. You'll look at the reasons she says (trust, spiritual connection etc) and will try to fix that to get her. But the spark isn't there. Look, sometimes a girl doesn't like you as anything more than a friend, or someone to mess around with. Instead of wasting your time trying to change her feelings or lack thereof, find a girl who you really have a connection with. If this is your best option right now, improve your options.

OP, you should read this every day as soon as you get up and right before you go to sleep. It is on point.

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I get that you try to tell me that I shouldn't hold on the words she says.

But WHY the heck then we do french kiss and lets me lick her tits and she holding my dick? (and if there is an another reason but of attraction... what could be). From my point of view is just more comfort lacking.

I don't justify myself. I know she is not mad crazy over me. She just doesn't really know me that well. And yes we were friends before and I might be partially in the friend zone too. But (and btw being a friend only doesn't usually means being a friend) but obviously she insisted to go somewhere together etc.

Again I don't try to rationalize myself about her and blind foolish believe she is the "ONE" etc.

In any case the majority of other girls are an indicator of my level of success with women and attractiveness.

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I never said she wasn't attracted to you. Just that she's not serious about you. Look, it's not as simple as marketers say. Attraction+comfort does not equal she loves you or is serious about you. Sometimes the spark isn't there. You can be the most attractive guy in the world with a kickass personality and depth, doesn't mean all girls are gonna want to be serious with you. Sometimes she wants a less confident guy, sometimes she wants a guy who does what she wants, sometimes she wants a smarter guy. But you are more serious about her than she is, and that's never a good frame to come from. You want it to work too badly. Even if you get her, you'll be needy or will try to conform to what she's looking for at the expense of your happiness.
Rationalizing what she needs to fall for you. She's already kissing you and fooling around with you so if she isn't having sex with you it's for a reason. She's keeping it at that point, not for the friendship (already past that point) but because she's holding off for someone else. You should too.

Agreed with neo.
And sometimes she wants a guy who made piercing eye contact with her, came up to her and swept her off her feet because ... it's just what she wants ... even she doesn't know why.

She gave you the LJBF speech. Move on to other girls and ones that feel tingly for you in their loins for no other reason than they just do.

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I get that, but I'll not change myself/conform myself to what she is looking for. I know from experience that changing personality to try women "love" you is not worthy and not a mark of high character.


How can I understand if it is really like that (holding off for someone else). I was with a girl before in similar situations and we kissed and had fun together but when it came to the point of having sex she told me she can't do it because she was loving someone else, someone from a different town that she knew they couldn't be together either-way but anyway she "loved" him. She was honest about it. I got her point and unterstood her about that although it looked very immature to me but anyway... Eventually we discontinued relationship. (we didn't got fight its just what happened).
But this girl right didn't told me if there is someone else and she is also very direct (I know it from other experiences).

I know I should be truly objective here and don't self deceive myself.

Thats why I know I shouldn't put too much effort and thought into it. And I keep my other options open too, but if I'm with one girl I don't mess around (be intimate) with others I don't like creating excessive drama. I'm asking those kind of questions so I can understand women better, not just my personal benefit. The more I understand them the better man I'll become , the more other guys I'll be able to help further down the road.

And what is the best way to tell her that if she holding off for someone else I'd better let her and me just go and find someone else for me. Or should I even tell her about it.

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Just move on without telling her. While doubtful in this situation, she may chase you if you do this. On the other hand if you sit her down and have a logical conversation about it, the chances she will chase are probably about 0. In addition there is no point to have this conversation with her because she already said LJBF.

Yea that guy was me... thats how i moved from LJBF zone into more intimate. Eye contact mastery methods applied in action are very powerful.

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Yea she said verbally LJBF but later on it turned into french kissing, massaging and arms inside pants.

but thank i'll take your advice and avoid the logical/direct conversation about it.

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Hello I completely understand your concern but you gotta face the fact, you two having this conversation at this early stage of "relationship" then you must ask yourself is it worth your trouble? What i suggest is to get out there and find someone else because when other part not feeling the way she suppose to feel then i think it's not worth your time...

Yea I know that I've been in similar situation before.

I know what I want and what to do.

Thanks for the advice anyway... and well I'll appreciate if the guys from above have to say whats on their mind too.

I just wanted to make clear I post as much details so there is no misunderstanding.

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