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 Post subject: Friends flake
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:01 am 
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Is it impossible to have friendships? I'm always out meeting people and being social. And I get friend zoned a lot. Which I'm okay with. Girls and people will say they want to hang out with me. But they often flake or make false commitments.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:11 am 
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No dude thats not ok. Your post is only 2 sentences, so I am going to make some assumptions to try and help you, you can tell me if I am right later on. If people and girls flake a lot on you, thats probably a sign that people dont respect you enough, and you shouldnt be ok with that. You could be the kind of guy who tries very hard to make everyone like him. Dont be like that, you should always try to be friendly, but dont try to make everyone like you. Maybe learning to say no when you dont feel like doing something you are asked to do might help. And when people flake on you consistently, stop hanging out with them, its that simple. Again, the stuff I am saying might be inaccurate in your case, but like I said before, I am making a lot of assumptions.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:09 am 
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No dude thats not ok. Your post is only 2 sentences, so I am going to make some assumptions to try and help you, you can tell me if I am right later on. If people and girls flake a lot on you, thats probably a sign that people dont respect you enough, and you shouldnt be ok with that. You could be the kind of guy who tries very hard to make everyone like him. Dont be like that, you should always try to be friendly, but dont try to make everyone like you. Maybe learning to say no when you dont feel like doing something you are asked to do might help. And when people flake on you consistently, stop hanging out with them, its that simple. Again, the stuff I am saying might be inaccurate in your case, but like I said before, I am making a lot of assumptions.
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To add on, do what you like and not what you think others will like you for. If you're always agreeing, doing what someone else wants to do then you're going to have a repelling personality. Although DB's post is only an assumption it's quite accurate. Alot of people tend to miss that because they think "what if they don't like me or don't want to hang out anymore?" when in fact not only are you held more valuable in their eyes because you don't rely on someone else's sense of direction but because you hold yourself valuable.

This was actually one of my sticking points before I overcame it. You want to learn to say no while not seeming like a huge dick. I can tell you, after I got past this people started inviting me alot more, there's days I just sit back and wait for invites. You don't really notice it until you've confronted the bad behavior but it's there.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:22 pm 
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Flaking is a form of immaturity. You could be part of the problem, but the onus is still on others.

Sometimes if you're too accomodating, people think its easier to just blow you off. If you're too overbearing or too dominating of a personality, they fear giving you rejection due to consequences. In any event, when it happens, you need to decide if you're the problem, or if they are. If you are, determine why, and try to correct. If you think you've been fair, and reasonable, then it's their problem, and you are left to ask yourself if you wish to let it go and make them less important in your life, or if you wish to bring it up head on.

My best friend was REALLY bad this way. Part of it was me. I was too dominating and overbearing. I learned some things in life, and have moderated. Coincidentally, he was a confidant and as he became aware of my transitions, he's not a flaker at all anymore. If he has shit going on, or chooses to do something with the wife and kids versus an offer from me, he says so, and it's no problem. In our case, some of it was both of us. I think we've both matured a lot in the past couple of years.

Some people will grow up and out of it. Some don't. Think about all of this and decide for yourself where the problems lie, what you can fix, what you can't, and who you will hang out with in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:51 pm 
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No dude thats not ok. Your post is only 2 sentences, so I am going to make some assumptions to try and help you, you can tell me if I am right later on. If people and girls flake a lot on you, thats probably a sign that people dont respect you enough, and you shouldnt be ok with that.

I'm not okay with that but I'm not sure why or how to change it.
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You could be the kind of guy who tries very hard to make everyone like him. Dont be like that, you should always try to be friendly, but don't try to make everyone like you.

Yes. Maybe I'm just trying to be friendly.
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Maybe learning to say no when you dont feel like doing something you are asked to do might help.

It's not often that I have feel the need to say no. But I always try to say yes. Especially when people invite me out.
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And when people flake on you consistently, stop hanging out with them, its that simple.


I kinda have to stop hanging out with them because they are not around. but I get tired. I feel like I make more friends and meet more women, but it never gets deep or more than just acquaintance.
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Again, the stuff I am saying might be inaccurate in your case, but like I said before, I am making a lot of assumptions.

Seems pretty accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:04 pm 
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No dude thats not ok. Your post is only 2 sentences, so I am going to make some assumptions to try and help you, you can tell me if I am right later on. If people and girls flake a lot on you, thats probably a sign that people dont respect you enough, and you shouldnt be ok with that. You could be the kind of guy who tries very hard to make everyone like him. Dont be like that, you should always try to be friendly, but dont try to make everyone like you. Maybe learning to say no when you dont feel like doing something you are asked to do might help. And when people flake on you consistently, stop hanging out with them, its that simple. Again, the stuff I am saying might be inaccurate in your case, but like I said before, I am making a lot of assumptions.
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Correctumundo
To add on, do what you like and not what you think others will like you for. If you're always agreeing, doing what someone else wants to do then you're going to have a repelling personality.
If agree I agree, if I don't then I don't. More often than not, I want to agree. Or I'll try to see things from their side in order to agree. I've hung around with people who disagree all the time, and I think they're assholes.
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Although DB's post is only an assumption it's quite accurate. Alot of people tend to miss that because they think "what if they don't like me or don't want to hang out anymore?" when in fact not only are you held more valuable in their eyes because you don't rely on someone else's sense of direction but because you hold yourself valuable.
I'm not so much concerned with people who don't like me. If they don't like me then they don't like me. It's the people that I think like me. And I get invited out often enough, but when I invite those same people out. They're too busy or can't afford it.
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You want to learn to say no while not seeming like a huge dick.
It's not often that I feel the need to say no.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:18 pm 
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Flaking is a form of immaturity. You could be part of the problem, but the onus is still on others.
It happens too often for me to feel like it's always them.
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Sometimes if you're too accomodating, people think its easier to just blow you off.
I might have that.
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If you're too overbearing or too dominating of a personality, they fear giving you rejection due to consequences.
I don't think overbearing or dominating is the right words. I feel like I come across as needy. Especially if they say maybe. I'll bug them for a yes or no. But I'm fine with no.
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In any event, when it happens, you need to decide if you're the problem, or if they are.
I definitely think I'm the problem. This happens with people I've know a while and people that I've just met.
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My best friend was REALLY bad this way. Part of it was me. I was too dominating and overbearing. I learned some things in life, and have moderated. Coincidentally, he was a confidant and as he became aware of my transitions, he's not a flaker at all anymore. If he has shit going on, or chooses to do something with the wife and kids versus an offer from me, he says so, and it's no problem. In our case, some of it was both of us. I think we've both matured a lot in the past couple of years.

It seems like the 2 of you are close enough to trust each other with the truth. I'm this way with a few people. But I can't seem to build that kind of closeness with most people.


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 Post subject: Re: Friends flake
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:50 pm 
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You are coming across as too needy and the fact that you wait around for a yes/no answer will put girls off something terrible.


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