I've been with this girl a few times (slept over) we've had a lottttttttttt of very affectionate kino (no sex of course). I know she's tried to break up with her current bf before (he's her best friend but she's not attracted to him). I've decided I want to be with her, but she has to leave this guy obviously..... so the last time I slept over, I left at 2 am without saying anything, she calls me at 2:50 am, then texts me when I don't pick up. I don't answer and she texts me again the next day... I still don't answer and she's texted me a third time much later.... so my question is, what should i say/how should I tell her to leave her bf and be with me?

Well instead of telling her that you can make her do that.

All you need is to play your game and make her feel attracted to you, and play it like she has no BF (remember, the BF is her problem not yours).

You can not start a LTR immediately with a girl, you need to take it slow, date a while and then talk about taking it to the next level. Until you have a relationship with her you can not ask her from start to leave her BF.

If she feels attracted to you and wants to be with you then she will deal with her BF without you having to say anything.

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fuckkk that! i'm giving her an ultimatum friday and i'll move on if she doesn't >_>.
I dgaf enough to wait that long. too many girls

plus you can't sleep with a chick until she's broken up with her bf... otherwise you'll just make her feel guilty and she will shut you out because she associates that feeling with you.

OR . . . You sleep with her anyways, and find out if she's girlfriend material or not

Also, don't give her a goddamn ultimatum. Those moves never end up well . . .

actually, an ultimatum may be the way.

Tell her how you feel about her and what you need for a relationship to work.
Though this may back-fire, so only do it if you're perfectly ready to leave her if she doesn't decide.


edit; second thought:
It will most likely back-fire.

If you're going to give it, do it from a place of understanding.
She has a hard time deciding between two men she likes, so try to empathize, and tell her that it's okay if she wants to stay, but that you don't want to creep around.

I mean, you're the sensible one, so you have to be at peace with both outcomes if you go that way.

i'm just going to do it, I really don't care that much. every girl is replaceable.
why would an ultimatum back fire? If she agrees then i act alpha consistently, she'll be happy. girls dgaf about hurting guys they do it all the time.

I'm not going to be understanding. After I see her, i'm going to sit in hte car with her, look her in the eye and say straight out " I want a relationship" then if she says i don' know or some bullshit like that. I'm going to be silent and keep eye contact. If the pause stays long enough, she'll feel awkward and give in. It MIGHT back-fire later but i'll just make sure we have a lot of sex afterwards.

besides, there's a good chance that when she leaves the guy he'll get oneitis and get clingy and turn her off forever.

There is a difference between telling her how you feel and how you would like things to be, compared to giving her an ULTIMATUM:

"It's either me or him bitch. You have 24 hours to choose."

Why an ultimatum backfires? Because the amount of pressure you're putting on her can make her choose her boyfriend instead, no matter how much she initially liked you.

Put pressure on anybody that way, and most of the times it'll backfire . . .

You can't treat people that way and expect things to go your way every time.

I'm not going to do that, i'm going to tell her what i want, then freeze her out until she gives in. No time limit or anything like that.... that's soooo desperate.

It doesn't matter how guilty a girl feels, the reason why girls cheat on their boyfriends emotionally in the first place, like the girl you're observing here, is because women are emotional by nature. It doesn't matter if she has a bf, if there's enough attraction and fear of loss, they WILL rationalize their actions. I've fucked more than 50 married women and none of them ever resisted until the next morning. And after they gave me their speech on how "I'm not like this, I don't know why I did that" I'd fuck them again.

You have to refine this idea of an Ultimatum, you aren't phrasing it the right way.

An Ultimatatum, BY DEFINITION, is a statement of POWERLESSNESS. Any time you are giving a girl an "Ultimatum" you are basically saying "I've lost here, so I'm playing my last card." It is synonymous to a girl withholding sex in a relationship, it's a myopic strategy of mutually assured destruction. However, you have the IDEA right. What you want to do is make her feel like she's going to lose you, but do not OVERTLY communicate this, she needs to FEEL it under the subtext of your value as an Alpha. Don't tell her "I'm gonna leave unless you dump your bf." Just start flirting with other girls and reciprocate LESS ATTENTION every time she mentions her bf or leaves you for him. By Associating less attention from YOU w/ her boyfriend's presence, you'll have sucessfully anchored her boyfriend to a NEGATIVE emotion. Make her feel like if she doesn't dump her boyfriend for you, she's going to lose you to another girl.

HOW you communicate your Ultimatum is essential. Women HATE overt communication. Other examples:

- Telling a girl you had a hot ex (Pretentious Prick) vs Leaving a picture of you and a hot ex lying around (preselected Alpha).

- telling your girlfriend you think some other girl is pretty (emotional resentment) Vs getting caught semi-flirting with another girl at a party (Demonstration of Game)

- Bragging (Herb) vs Letting a girl find out your accomplishments on her own (Don Juan)

What do you have that her boyfriend doesn't have? Attraction. You make her vagina marinate from miles away. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Right now you're doing the exact opposite. You're becoming all clingy and needy for her exclusivity. Fuck that man, start fucking other girls. Let it be KNOWN to her that you are a WANTED GUY and that she needs to earn your loyalty. By offering her an ultimatum, you would be SWITCHING your frame, SHE would become the prize and you would be the beta orbiter chasing after her. Remember, YOU are the Alpha. As counter-intuitive as this sounds, when a girl sees a guy exercise his options with other girls, it makes her WANT HIM MORE. it shows her that you are pre-selected as opposed to her pump and dump beta boyfriend who has no shot with another girl.

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If ^that is what you're going to do - then great. That's just the way you should play it.

But don't freeze her out in the sense that you're ignoring her and cutting contact. But just be casual. Let her know what you want and SHOW it to her, then hold back for a while, but still be in reach in a neutral way.

no freeze out needed, she said yes.. =/ to be honest i'm a little dissapointed though. I wanted the experience of gaming a "taken" girl a bit more... but not complaining

curious though if she said no, instead of a full out "freeze out" where I ignore her. I should just pretend im not interested anymore (basically IOD) but still reply if she texts me right?? after a few days of the cold shoulder, you then taker her out on another date then bring up what u want again?

If she already said YES and she wants you - why would you freeze her out and throw IOD's at her?

You HAVE her. Start freezing her out if you want to break the world record in fucking up an opportunity.

Also, one more thing . . .
If your cock is as big as your ego, you're in for a jackpot.

. . .

Congratulations! And enjoy your coming future with this girl

If she already said YES and she wants you - why would you freeze her out and throw IOD's at her?

You HAVE her. Start freezing her out if you want to break the world record in fucking up an opportunity.


Congratulations! And enjoy your coming future with this girl [/quote]

i'm not gonna freeze her out... reread what I wrote..... i'm saying if she said NO would that be the thing to do (not freeze her out, but cold shoulder, reread). I care more about getting better than getting the relationship . I really even dgaf anymore about whether girls like me or not... learned to be like that very early on when i started into pick up.

edit: oh I forgot to put that in my last post >_< but I meant if she said no