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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:10 am 
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Thank you all for your insight :) Special thanks to Mack 2.0 for your great post :D

That is an excellent point you make about me sensing something wrong and following my instinct.

The problem as of today is that to my knowledge she hasn't contacted via facebook in about 3 weeks. Should I still confront her with the information I found when I looked into her inbox?

Another thing is even though she initiated contact by adding him as a friend, she didn't meet up with him when he suggested they get together. Although, the message I put in the original post on this thread was deleted about 15 min. after it was sent. So I know she was trying to cover it up.

I just feel like this is a slippery slope. If I confront her with it, she will blow it out of proportion, but if it happens again it will drive me nuts!

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I want to say something about the "Is she worth it ?" question.

I used to ask myself that over and over again. What I have determined is that it is the wrong question to ask yourself.

Let me put it in a different context. A man says he will give you an expensive race horse, but you must let it kick you in the face first, in front of a laughing crowd.

If you stay with a woman who you SUSPECT is cheating, let alone having proof, you are voluntarily putting your face right behind that horse, thinking that maybe its worth it.

The value of the horse or woman is irrelevant. Some prices are just too high because they do severe or lasting damage. It isn't just the "loss of face", it is the loss of self respect for consciously allowing that situation to occur.

DUMP HER.


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Tyketto,

Thanks for the compliment on the post. Don't misunderstand the meaning behind it though. I am not trying to convince you (one way or the other) on what to do. I was simply taking the opportunity to voice my opinion on the whole "act aloof" and "be unfazed" by everything on planet earth theory, and how it doesn't translate in reality and in certain contexts.

There is a difference between PUA and LTR. Although I agree with most of the crowd here that the same things that help you pick up a woman (such as being spontaneous, being manly, being confident) will also help you keep her. I disagree that LTR's should be dealt with the same as some chick you are dating when it comes to character flaws.

It is plain common sense that I am not going to have the same standards for some chick that I am "trying to game and fuck" than I will for some woman that I want to "love and be with forever and have a family". Y'know? LOL

Anyway, don't ask me what to do? You know what to do!

Either you are okay with her conduct or not. You know everything you need to know. She went behind your back and secretly contacted people she has fucked and tried to hide it from you. It's as simple as that. You don't know what she plans on doing from here. The point is, it doesn't fucking matter.

Are you OR aren't you okay with what she has done up until now? All you need to decide, my friend, is the answer to that question.

No amount of "talking to her" or "confronting her" will change what you already know has happened. That is some AFC-behavior bullshit if you do that. Seriously, think about it. You already know all that you need to know. Either be okay with having the woman you love being sneaky and deceitful and tending toward cheating, or don't.

The choice is yours.

I'm speaking from experience, personally. I've been down this road. My instincts are so fucking finely honed when it comes to women. I can be inside their heads and hear their thoughts as they are thinking them. Even my ex, who hates me, will admit (grudgingly) to this day, that toward the end I could read her mind.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Wal is a smart guy, so I would pay close attention to his advice.

In my personal experience, if something isn't sitting well in your gut something probably isn't right. Stay calm, set your boundaries, let her know how you feel about the situation, and if she brushes it off you're probably best off cutting it down and moving on. Some women have a way of plotting behind your back, or they will blatantly mislead you until they have something else lined up.

Fact of the matter is, a girl that is totally into you and wants every ounce of you would not engage in any action that ran with the risk of losing you.

When you do lay down the line, you really do need to remain firm. What happened to me was my girl said it was nothing and that there was no contact, and I slowly observed bits of contact between them and she eventually ended up with the dude. At one point I even stayed calm and told her I was uncomfortable with it but I got the "Oh we'd just be friends that was in the past" deal. Truth is, that's rarely the case with women.

It's you or him, and if she's not willing to choose you completely over him and shut this other dude out, I think you should bounce.

Mack 2.0 is dead on, too. Signs of deceit are really something you need to take seriously, and I've had the experience too. Don't undersell your instincts. Rule of thumb, if you feel something is wrong stomp it out immediately without hesitation or you'll never have the strength to walk when things get really bad.
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"Either you are okay with her conduct or not. You know everything you need to know. She went behind your back and secretly contacted people she has fucked and tried to hide it from you. It's as simple as that. You don't know what she plans on doing from here. The point is, it doesn't fucking matter.

Are you OR aren't you okay with what she has done up until now? All you need to decide, my friend, is the answer to that question.

No amount of "talking to her" or "confronting her" will change what you already know has happened. That is some AFC-behavior bullshit if you do that. Seriously, think about it. You already know all that you need to know. Either be okay with having the woman you love being sneaky and deceitful and tending toward cheating, or don't.

The choice is yours.

I'm speaking from experience, personally. I've been down this road. My instincts are so fucking finely honed when it comes to women. I can be inside their heads and hear their thoughts as they are thinking them. Even my ex, who hates me, will admit (grudgingly) to this day, that toward the end I could read her mind.
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That makes this scenario totally different. I was in that situation once before, too, and it sucks. It is really hard to know what to do.

What may seem obvious to you (and almost everyone else but her) is that, if your girl had respect for your relationship, she would not be pushing these buttons when she has been known to cheat with this guy. However, I can almost guarantee she does not look at it this way.

When this happened to me, I freaked out a little bit. I thought it was callous of my (now) ex-gf to be in contact with a guy who she cheated with in her previous relationship. It doesn't say a whole lot about how much respect you're getting when your girl is willing to mess with your head like that. I did the whole "what about me?" boo-hoo emotional mess in my knee jerk reaction to the situation, but I'm older and wiser now, and I would handle it differently. :)

Anyway, in my situation, the conflict and resolution (or lack there of) didn't go down well. I made it into a big blow-up issue, she got defensive, nothing was solved, and I bailed. I could have handled it better from my end. Would anything have changed in her view of what she should and should not do? I don't know, but she has since told me that she wished she would have ignored that guy instead of pushing it forward in order to piss me off, because it was not worth losing me over. Live and learn (to not play games, LOL).

My advice to you is to calmly approach her, say, "I know this is probably nothing, but I'm not comfortable with you being in touch with this guy. I know the history between the two of you, and I won't put myself in a situation to get burned. Can you understand my position?" Don't get emotional, just state it as fact. If she resists, you can tell her that it is a deal-breaker, if it is. If she still doesn't "get it" and agree to avoid this guy, you might have to let this one go. Whatever you do, stay calm.

Of course, you can also just sit on it and ignore it. But this is a bad sign, in my opinion. If she doesn't get the fact that both men and women need to feel a certain (reasonable) level of security in a relationship, you might bail and find a girl who does get it.


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Tyketto is dead on, too.
You quoted me (Mack 2.0). That was MY advice TO Tyketto. LOL :D


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Bullshit this guys mental state is not bad nor is he insecure he just has a whore of a girlfriend, and he needs too drop her. Stop over-analyzing this, playing out your little scenarios in your mind, it is what it is, she cheated on her past boyfriends and she probably will cheat on you buddy if not done so already.

Edit: didn't read OP latest post
If she hasn't contacted him in 3 weeks, and its still bothering you confront her about, and tell her how you feel. All bs aside, or dump her in which I think you should do.


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After seeing this play out, I am changing my advice. You probably won't take this advice either, but what the hell.

If you don't have the guts to confront her about this, and if you don't trust her enough to stop snooping around in Facebook, dump her and find a girlfriend you can trust. You'll be happier, and so will she.

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Thanks guys for your help. You are all right in what you suggest. The main problem I have though, is that she is the only person in my life right now. i'll explain.

She is a huge part of my life. I have a couple guy friends who I hang out with, but only a couple of times per month. Outside of the people she knows, I don't have a social circle. I am not really good at making friends, so it is hard for me. I have tried to become a pua, but I have a huge mental block in my head that prevents me from progressing. Along with that, I lost my job a while back and had to move back in with my parents. (im almost 29 right now, so i'd have a hard time explaining to someone why im in the situation I am in. She just recently moved back with her mom due to some credit card problems.)

Like I said in the original post, my girlfriend and I do have a decent relationship. I just don't want this to turn into cheating. All of your advice was right on. Given my current situation, I feel my only option is to try to salvage things with her. Here is what I am thinking of doing. I appreciate any feedback :)

I am going to pull back a little in the love and affection I give her. I am going to go on facebook with her present and "stumble upon" this guy. I am then going to ask her about the guy and pay attention to her reaction. If I sense she is trying to cover up something, I will tell her that her being in contact with him compromises the integrity of our relationship. I am not telling her what to do an be controlling. Instead I am calmly telling her if she is in contact with him, I take that as disrespect and will not stand for it.


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Thanks guys for your help. You are all right in what you suggest. The main problem I have though, is that she is the only person in my life right now. i'll explain.

She is a huge part of my life. I have a couple guy friends who I hang out with, but only a couple of times per month. Outside of the people she knows, I don't have a social circle. I am not really good at making friends, so it is hard for me. I have tried to become a pua, but I have a huge mental block in my head that prevents me from progressing. Along with that, I lost my job a while back and had to move back in with my parents. (im almost 29 right now, so i'd have a hard time explaining to someone why im in the situation I am in. She just recently moved back with her mom due to some credit card problems.)

Like I said in the original post, my girlfriend and I do have a decent relationship. I just don't want this to turn into cheating. All of your advice was right on. Given my current situation, I feel my only option is to try to salvage things with her. Here is what I am thinking of doing. I appreciate any feedback :)

I am going to pull back a little in the love and affection I give her. I am going to go on facebook with her present and "stumble upon" this guy. I am then going to ask her about the guy and pay attention to her reaction. If I sense she is trying to cover up something, I will tell her that her being in contact with him compromises the integrity of our relationship. I am not telling her what to do an be controlling. Instead I am calmly telling her if she is in contact with him, I take that as disrespect and will not stand for it.
Yep and if she doesn't agree drop her bro, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I find I perform better with my back against the wall


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honestly, i would just fuck some other chick first. but i'm a massive asshole.


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just drop her.

she isn't "yours" anyway, if she was we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we ?????

Its hard to accept I know, but the straight truth will set you free. Would you rather be totally ignorant with a whorish fake girlfriend ?


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i'm new here,and i'm sympathizing with you and your social problems,but if you let her hurt you,then that depression is gonna hold you even further back from meeting new people,so if your instincts say somethings wrong do what you know is right,but i don't understand why you started a relationship like this with her,after knowing about the cheating situation,remember what ever she did in her past relationship,she wont hesitate to do to you. so stop hurting yourself,and put your foot down :D and do what you have to.


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interesting thread.

You have made the world revolve around her, your life issues have caused her to be used as an emotional tampon, thats bad m'kay.

She is or has or is considering cheating on you.

biggest red flag for me out of this entire thread is the simple fact she has deleted all correspondence with the guy, but after you were able to see one message, if it was just a whim type communication there would be no implied guilt and no internal motivation to remove evidence. People who delete there browsing history, or sent messages have something to hide.

Im really sorry for you, but it happens to all of us.

My suggestions would be to reduce the time your spending with her, but up the intensity when you do spend time with her to make up for this - but something tells me you are not spending as much time with her as you used too anyway correct?, so spend the freed up time setting out social roots and getting your life sorted out because in my eyes the biggest thing in this entire thread is actually your situation and getting your life back on track, instead of being in a shit place when this relationship breaks apart making it a nice double whammy.

fuck me that was a bit rambly, thats my experience and advice, take it or leave it I have no scientific data to back it up though, like everyone else im stating an opinion, another is I agree with Mack's previous posts :D


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interesting thread.
another is I agree with Mack's previous posts :D
high five?

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i'm on a high five kick. sorry.


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I do not think you have anything to worry about. If it really worries you, I think you should just confront her with it, subtly.


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