i wasnt gonna reply to this cuz my posts get long sometimes . ill keep this short... personally ive never been in this situation... ive always closed it on the first or second night at my house....usually first....mostly with girls that are considered very difficult by most standards....

the solution is and i think has been mentioned in a few posts, if i skimmed correctly:

TALK ABOUT SEX

tell her sex is REALLY important in a relationship to you one, because youre really realyl good at it and its a way that u can connect with her deeper than she does (hopefullly) with all her other friends... something only she does with u... otherwise this doesnt seem special anymore...

dont say "its sex or im out" say it more like "im telling u now because we are past that stage and we need to keep moving forward here... its gonna get a lot better.. trust me"


also like someone mentioned "u handed ur balls over already" and "this is why u dont date BEFORE you f*ck" both very true..... establish early you want sex... and u guys GOTTA get better and comfrotable with freeze-outs and cutting them off. if they leave cuz they pissed.. well.. u werent gonna get any anyways? but they shouldnt leave.. quite the opposite if u do it right....

dont keep searching for some easy solution or key.... the problem has been said. work on it or dont. but no magic (legal) pill or something of the sort if gonna fix this for u..

Jim - 4 me the freeZe out well I give it a sucses . I dirent get my sex but I got head.? I think I dirent have sex cuse her mom was in the other room.? But I think if we were in a isolated place it wide of work

First, I would like to thank everyone who contributed to my thread, no matter what kind of oppinion he had. It's great to have the opportunity to share it like that. It really helps - not only because of the pieces of advice but it also motivates you to go forward and makes you think more. So, here is what I did...

1) After watching the Mystery freeze out method, I didn't follow it exactly, but I absolutely calmed all the shit down. I started to be hundred percent understandable. I stoped being angry, stoped insisting on sex at all. Just was touching her and conveying that I really meant it. Even though I was horny as a fuck, I pretended to be abolutely calm without any rush for sex. I understood no matter what. Even if she was lying on the bed and I felt she wanted me to come and kiss her, I was just reading a magazine and telling her some ordinary bullshit. I don't know whether she somehow suddently missed my "angry alpha rush for sex", was confused about my new behaviour or just finnaly gained the 100% feeling that I meant it, but it simply worked.

2) Wait untill she takes you to her place! It just somehow happened her parents (after her beak up she moved back home) were not home and we were alone in her room during last night. Guys, she behaved absolutely differently. I was really surprised - she was more relaxed, confident and talkative. Totally different person. She probably somehow felt more safe in her own suroundings.

So, last evening, I was lying in her bad at her place. I didn't expect anything except petting that night again. Suddently, she came out of the bathroom only with a towel around her body. Damned so fucking sexy. She took it off and came to me under the blanket. We talked for a while, went through some hardcore petting and finally....we fucked. Without any force from my side, absolutelly spontaneously.

It was great. Imagine you have been starving while cooking a delicate huge cake for one month. Then, you've been finally allowed to eat it...

I think despite all of these "though" manhood oppinions (which I have too), IN THIS CASE(!), the closest to the key were Conker and Swoop with their more moderate "theories". Guys, I know you are affraid of feeling like an AFC trying to pick up his ONE-IT-IS, but you can still be nice, talkative and understanding while being an ALPHA! It means while being nice, still keep your dignity - when you have to, tell her you don't have time for her (despite she planed something else, I went to Berlin with 6 fiends for 3 days to see Faith no More concert on Tuesday). Don't stop seeing your friends - still go out with them as before (if she wants to join you, ok, if not, still go out - she has to uderstand). Don't neglect your hobbies and interests...

Be nice to her, but still don't loose yourself!!!

This wasn't a bar bitch who we usually try to pick up. This was a sensitive 25 years old girl who has only had one 7 years relationship in her life. This was a girl I wanna have a serious relationship with and now I am happy that it took me over one month cuz I feel this girl has a higher value and she's not going to mess around (she was refusing to kiss me until she broke up with her ex!).

According to the fact that she told me she would like me to wait about 2 month at least, I consider last night as a huge success

THANKS EVERYONE

Looking forward to read more and contributing to the whole forum - definitely not leaving it - faithful PUA still PUA!

GOOD LUCK

Damned! Ofcourse her mother shouldn't have been there at all! Going to her place was definitelly a good step (as I wrote in my full-close report above) but you've just been unlucky that her mother was there. Still, the fact that she took you to her place and even let you meet her mother plays for you. Be calm and understaning, don't force her, stop insisting on sex and still try to be yourself - just as I wrote above. I think in your case it's a question of time. Hold on dude and keep us informed.

This is very true, for the next time have these things in mind!

I want to add that watching at least half of the mystery video posted here will help you very much. What you want to do is freeze-out after freeze-out.

I've read a book from an Austrian PUA (from my country ) that my friend calls his "new bible", and I can only agree with him... Girls that "are not ready" in a relationship (not ONS) have mental/sexual problems, alone the statement of "not being ready for sex" is just plain stupid. It's not the start of a rocket, it's just sex (yeah that's quoted from a movie )

In such situations you freeze-out, tell her it is okay without showing any anger and if possible without even feeling angry. You turn on the light, and go to the kitchen to get something to drink or make yourself something to eat. Or check your mails or watch TV or play a game. It will make her want you and you wait for her to initiate making out again. Then you tell her you will not let her play with you tonight. You make clear that making out leads to sex, and if she understands, get right into her panties and don't waste time in which she might overthink everything again. If she doesn't understand, there is no reason to let her touch you, keep on watching TV or whatever but never act (show that you are) annoyed or angry.
And if you are all horny that night, masturbate. Right next to her. She's not helping you with shooting your load but there's no reasons not to do it on your own
Do activities with other women. If you have an open relationship it's even better. Get what you need elsewhere. She will put more effort into the relationship then, that's how it works.

JimDixon: What wonders me is how your GF reacted to your behaviour... first you were acting like a typical AFC in this situation (getting angry or asking "why why?" or etc) then she successfully made you Beta with taking the control over you and the relationship ("I might give you my pussy soon" - how evil, she is playing games with you, giving you hopes, losing attraction in you because you were playing along) and then you suddenly changed your style that you had kept up for weeks within one day to another. Usually this frightens girls and makes them feel insecure. And after that she still gave you pussy? It's strange, but congratulations! I got shot down when I acted like that but you saved it somehow!

Hawk

7 Hour time limit! Ahh this is what I have been searching for. I keep moving too fast with chix. I am going to give this a go and report back.

I was in the same situation once and followed this step by step, it takes patience but it works.

every time she said something like "we should stop" or "no I'm not ready" I did almost like a little giggle and was like "I understand baby" kind of smiling the whole time, and I would be like "come on baby lets go watch tv." she was so confused especially since I said called her baby and smiled she knew I wasn't mad or sad about it, but didn't understand why I didn't beg for it. Thats the thing about girls, theyre naturally teases, they love to know that guys want to have sex with them, but dont want to give it up. I did this a few times in a row, each time I noticed I got further before she stopped me. until one day we were hanging out and shes like "do I not turn you on or something?" I knew I hit the jackpot there. I reassured her that she turned me on but more or less conveyed that guys can be turned off too.

The next night bingo, I hit