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A place for everything and everything in its place.
I agree that doing too much can be counter productive. However, if you do not build some kind of intrigue/connection with the girl before hand and jump right into this on average I say you will fail. If you go out and do this by itself and it works most of the time please correct me.
I think we're sort of agreeing here. My point is that through my speech, my energy, where I'm coming from the intrigue/connection is built naturally. I'm constantly esculating and moving the interaction forward. During the day, where I do most of my gaming, you've got to pick up on every cue that you're getting and to go off into a pattern would detract from the interaction.
Beyond that, nobody speaks that way, the girl will find it strange in most cases (unless a suitable context is established). Even still, given the nature of social dyamics, there's ALWAYS going to be something more appropriate to say that'll esculate further, achieving the same result in less time and less risk.
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Thats exactly what im saying. I am saying that if you just go up to a girl and use your language BEFORE creating any kind of rapport, trust, connection or anything, any success you get will be from this. However, the pattern does mean something as it is bringing up that sexual imagery. If you approached like an AFC probably nothing would happen.
Ok, so we're agreed.
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Exactly, and by doing so followed the command without the negative. Because, you don't NOT think about the pink elephant, even though i told you not to.
Yeah, I'm All That explained it beautifully.
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It's a hairline shift away from not understanding it but in the fine scheme of things it does lead to different implications at times.
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While I may not be as great of a hypnotist as your friend, I am a practicing hypnotherapist who went through quite extensive training. I would very much doubt that the hypnotist gave commands like "stop smoking" and more like "you are now smoke free, a non-smoker". A hypnotist uses the tools of hypnosis to bring about change, but by saying he got someone to stop doing something means the unconscious can understand negation is incorrect (if that is your assumption).
I don't doubt your abilities, perhaps you do a great job. I have experience in both hypnosis and NLP (and it's no lie to say that NLP often has to be taken with a pinch of salt).
My point was exactly that. He used commands such as "you will stop smoking", "You don't want a ciggarette", etc. I agree that phrasing it in a more positive way might work better, but it still works. Which begs the question, "is it really better then?"
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There are two popular to 'cure' smokers in my experience. One is to associate it with something the client hates and inducing something similar to a gag reflex when they attempt to smoke. I personally find this to be unethical and not long lasting as the association will go away if constantly tested by the client. My method has always been to have the client imagine their family and friends surrounding them as they tell them they are terminal. To get that kind of emotional reaction is much more powerful and MUCH longer lasting. However, in both these methods, I have always seen suggestions phrased in the positive.
I've been experimenting with this lately (no strictly for smoking issues). I don't associate positive or negative that way, I generally stay covert. I might use a metaphor here and there, but I like to just open them to alternative ways of viewing the world and their symptom by exapnding their awareness. Rather than take away their enjoyment of smoking, I'll open up their realization of the possibilities of being a non-smoker.
It's difficult to explain, but if you're interested, check out Igor Ledochowski's Ming Bending Language DVD's if you can get your hands on them. This method of covert hypnosis uses negation as a fundamental element.
At the end of the day, however, there's nothing wrong with a quick, authoritarian, 20minute session to stop smoking. It does the job and does it fast. Maybe that IS the most practical.
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I don't see where this fits in. If the general consensus is that the unconscious doesn't understand negation, you must provide evidence to make the opposite claim as others have already put forward evidence for the consensus (hence it being the consensus).
Who is the general consensus? Universal truth is NOT measured in mass appeal.
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TL;DR: Everyone will have their own idea of what the unconscious can and cannot do from both personal experience and through others' experiences. The unconscious is a very complex thing, it is quite likely we will never understand its full scope. However, one thing we do know is this. When using a negation which deals with sensory information (eg Don't think of the pink elephant) our unconscious automatically brings this to life in our mind. When it comes to something like "Don't forget to clean your room" it might become a little different. However, for our purposes, I believe it is better to err on the side of caution, and always phrase suggestions in the positive.
Wait, so you are agreeing with me? I don't disagree which is better, it was never a comparison between the two.
PS Respect, I like a good debate.
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