I know there's obviously no hard and fast rule and that one would have to calibrate, but how quickly can one launch into patterning after opening?

I was thinking to just after a direct opener to go into a fascination pattern, using the experience of fascination as the reason for opening her. However, I worry that this might come off as being a bit weird, patterning without first building a little rapport and comfort.

Thanks for the help.

First you open the girl. Then you do some fluff talk (regular chit chat). Then you have to establish rapport. Then you elicit values about her challenges & relationships. Then you feed back her trance words to her, which also deepens rapport. Then you can get into your various patterns of connection, arousal, time distortion, etc.

They say the patterns won't work unless you have already established deep rapport. They said you also need to have solid inner game and project your intent.

They said if you run an arousal pattern on a chick without establishing rapport, she will feel aroused but she'll feel that something is very wrong that she's aroused by a guy she doesn't have rapport with.