hey guys, hope you guys are all having success with your individual methods in pick up. For me, I'm into natural game but am interested in learning MM and SS to learn the advantages of each. I've also had a passion for nlp, hypnosis, and other methods of covert persuasion (sort of using our mind as a form of martial arts just like MM is a venusian art) and decided I'd keep a log of my success in life using persuasion techniques.

My immediate goals are to be able to use these persuasion techniques in sales and seduction and am planning to become a stage hypnotist as well as a clinical hypnotherapist and get certified in NLP as well. My long term goal is to become a master in persuasion just like my other goal of becoming a mPua (well, more through natural method tho. )

I searched for different online forums where I can keep my success journal in this area and I think this topic in the forum is the best place to keep it. I hope my progress reports can be inspirational to other people who are studying nlp and hypnosis, I"m also a big fan of Derren Brown by the way .

I will be posting my progress in immersing myself in the study of hypnosis, persuasion, nlp, and will be practicing, reframing, anchoring, and octoberman sequence. I'll be listing the products I'm using and my thoughts on them as well so you guys can benefit from them as well.

As for the moment, I'm half way done through Igor Ledochowski's Conversational Hypnosis audio program but will definitely be going through it again as there's a lot of material jam packed into it. I'll then probably read through Ross Jeffries speed seduction books. Thinking about getting like an amazon kindle to go through all the pdf books that I buy and read but just too damn expensive at the moment, lol, can't wait until cheaper versions come out. Ok, time to get to work.








Here are the goals I would like to achieve
- become a master at cold reading (I heard Vin Dicarlo does drills for his students to master this within like three days like Derren Brown good so I"m guessing it's quite easy)
- become a master at conversational hypnosis (as well as black ops)
- be able to effectively use language patterns to communicate indirect messages
- be able to create emotions in people and to help my seduction capabilities (and master SS with Ross Jeffries)
- improve my telemarketing and sales abilities
- master all of the mentalism related tricks Derren Brown does
- become a stage hypnotist
- master story telling (and nested loops)
- master frame control
- master embedded commands
- become a certified master nlp and hypnosis practioner
- become a clinical hypnotherapist
- become a celebrity mentalist
- bordering on the realms of mind control
- mastering anchoring and trance words
- mastering time distortion and possibly time line therapy (the book as well)
- mastering the uses of patterns and using anchoring and nlp to master giving squirting orgams to girls
- Being a master salesman and being able to use NLP to the benefit of my career life and in networking events and landing interviews and high paying jobs while still being able to offer value to the people around me.
- Learning all the tricks that Derren Brown does but ultimately in the end being able to put NLP and SS into good use, and in a way that offers value to other people's lives.

So yesterday, I finished listening to another CD from Conversational Hypnosis. I was somewhat tired and listening to it before going to bed but next time I gotta print out the relevant pages from the pdf file so I can follow through with some of the exercises. Honestly, because I'm starting from scratch, a lot of it is pretty confusing, I'm hoping I'll have a better understanding of the material when I'm going through it a second time.

I think one of the useful aspects I can use more immediately in my sales (I do telemarketing so body language stuff won't work as much) is embedded commands. I got these hypnotic language cards which I'll be going through while I'm commuting.



For SS, I've read through one of Ross Jeffries pdf books that goes with the home study course and it seems pretty straight forward and I gotta sit down and practice them, just like the embedded command language patterns.

And the other reason I got into this is cuz I had a really bad cold and found I had nothing to do when I couldn't go out cuz I didn't have any hobbies, so this is going to be my hobby. I used to read a lot of books recommended by David D but after reading about 50 books like Sperm Wars and the likes, I found that reading books wasn't as helpful as actual time spent going out and sarging. My cold's almost gone and I'll be back sarging again and once I start doing my 25 sets per night sarging again I"ll post a link here so people interested in learning where I'm going with this can take a look at it as well.

I'll try and post some notes later from the one hour of conversational hypnosis I will be listening to again later this night. I'll just edit this post so it doesn't get in the way of the other posts. Cheers!



udpated ---------------- 1:47pm April 13th----------------
Just finished CD9 in conversational hypnosis. Seems like storytelling is much similar to normal story telling. Nested loops is just cutting off threads and introducing new ones kind of like stacking routines. Have to hypnotize 1000 people into a trance state in a normal conversation as an exercise, well, haven't finished the program yet so gotta do that first. So now, I"m on CD 10, Advanced Frame Control, Hooorah!! my favorite part, I was always curious about what frame control was about. I'm still looking through more and more programs out there but I think I should be satisfied with what I've got and finish it one at a time.


updated ------------------------3:30pm April 13th--------------------
Just finished CD10 on frame control. Seemed quite identical to how Tyler talks about having the stronger frame of reference in his programs and like how puas always try to maintain the stronger frame of reference. One of the exercises include breaking down Socrate's frame control dialogue in a text. I'll have to do that later as a fun exercise but it will be definitely fun going out and actually practicing this. So I learned about pre-frame , deframes, reframes. Gotta go back and look into them more carefully. Anyways, I kind of see how my ability to pick-up was helping my ability to reframe objections in sales. Gotta practice that more. I"ll also be rereading Mindlines by Michael Hall, last time I read it it was too complex for me to understand but I"m sort of getting the gist of things now. I'll also be looking at Sleight of Mouth by Robert Dilts and will be going through Frogs into Princes by Richard Bandler which seems like script version of what he does with his clients.


updated --------------------------- 9:56pm April 13th --------------
half way done with CD 11 in conv hypnosis. I happened to skip to the last few tapes and actually was taken by surprise at what Igor was saying. He was saying, after I have finished learning all of this and integrated everything subconsciously, the best thing for me to do is leave it. Like, after I have hypnotized 1000 people (last exercise) and mastered all the other areas of conversational hypnosis and become a more charismatic guy, Igor tells me to leave it. Wow, that's the same thing I got taken by surprise when I heard pua gurus from the Global 2007 PUA summit say (Adam Lyons and some other guys, I think one of the natural guys and Asian Playboy) everyone should just learn everything, get a girlfriend, and have a happy life and leave the community.

Well, I guess I learned something new. Anyways, I still want to master it to become good like Derren Brown and to apply it in sales and also become a master seducer so I"ll keep working at it for the moment, and plus, I haven't hypnotized a single person yet.

Oh, and I thought up of the perfect excuse to say when I get caught by a girl while using Speed Seduction. "Well, everyone's got to have a hobby, mine is making girls horny." Arighty, I'm gonna hopefully not post again until I"m done wtih my final exams. And I really have to write field reports for practicing this nlp and hypnosis stuff as well, same like pick-up, don't want to get stuck in the learning stage and not apply, actually I already have several times during sales but I just want to do more of it, need more practice. Conversational Hypnosis is the first full course in the topic I'm going through anyways, so I still got lots of way to go ahead of me.

Importance of Rapport - Ok, I've been looking at working up patterns and speed seduction a little bit and realized I have to have deep rapport when I'm running the patterns. Same thing with telemarketing, it's all about getting the rapport first and before the ask for the money, so I guess it goes the same way when using hypnotic language patterns and seduction patterns on a girl as well. Can't wait until my exams are done and I can go and out and practice this stuff. Will be great for daygame on campus since theres going to be few girls during the summer and much quieter, perhaps beach game?



-----------------------update April 14th 10pm -------------------
honestly I'm just writing here cuz I"m super bored. I printed off a bunch of Milton Erickson language pattern cards and got a few more Ross Jeffries. The stuff Ross Jeffries has and calls weasel phrases are basically the same thing but used in the seduction format. Skimmed through David Shade's manual and seems like he uses hypnosis a lot and he actually recommends Ross's home study course. Well, I'll be checking out his Irresistable Arousal dvd later on. I think the most important thing for me to do right now is to go out and actually practice this but with finals and my cold still being present, I'll have to rule that out, but I will soon as I"m done. I'm kinda worried that once I get into this I'll not be improving much in natural game method as much as before but whatever, I really want to learn all those tricks Derren Brown does and this is definitely in the process. And I want to make tons of money by using these techniques as a master salesman. Ordered Persuasion Engineering by Richard Bandler, don't know what it's going ot be like but I"ll look forward to it. Can't wait until I finally get the time to go out and practice all I've learned. Conversational Hypnosis, 1000 sets must be done, 1000 people must be hypnotized, I"m going to include as well girls I semi-hypnotize using speed seduction. I think speed seduction is a really awesome and fun way to learn hypnosis.


------------------------------ update April 15th 12am ---------------------
Just finished practicing for 45 minutes some hypnotic language patterns. They are what Ross Jeffries calls weasel phrases and I think they were first used by Milton Erickson. Examples are

You probably already know...
Don't ____ too quickly.
Can you imagine ...?

Basically you insert the embedded commands in the blank areas, which I did in relations to donation to charity for my telemarketing job. I practiced making my own embedded commands and using the language patterns. I also want to practice using substitute, similar sounding words to unconsciously send out messages like when Derren Brown hypnotised one of his subjects to think of a BMX bike without ever directly saying BMX bike. Ross Jeffries also teaches how to do this like saying 'below me' implying 'blow me' or 'your mine' implying 'your mind'. So fun learning all of this.

This is an inspiring threa. I've bookmarked it to check out on your successes for motivation

Keep rockin

thanks! I'll continue to make progress.

Meanwhile, I was searching up weather Ross Jeffries' phonetic ambiguity thing had some background to it because I read some skeptics about it. Unfortunately, I couldn't find much through googling but I think Milton Erickson used it as well, which adds to credibility for me. I think the most important evidence that it works tho is of Derren Brown using phonetic ambiguity to plant suggestions in shopping mall's shoppers to raise their hand when Derren commands 'now,' youtube video is easily foundable, just type in 'Derren Brown Shopping Mall.' and you can easily tell that he solely relies on phonetic ambiguity there.


Also, I wanted to add a few more things to my goal and unfortunately I can't edit my first post after 3000 minutes, I'll just add here.

Here are the goals I would like to achieve
- become a master at cold reading (I heard Vin Dicarlo does drills for his students to master this within like three days like Derren Brown good so I"m guessing it's quite easy)
- become a master at conversational hypnosis (as well as black ops)
- be able to effectively use language patterns to communicate indirect messages
- be able to create emotions in people and to help my seduction capabilities (and master SS with Ross Jeffries)
- improve my telemarketing and sales abilities
- master all of the mentalism related tricks Derren Brown does
- become a stage hypnotist
- master story telling (and nested loops)
- master frame control
- master embedded commands
- become a certified master nlp and hypnosis practioner
- become a clinical hypnotherapist
- become a celebrity mentalist
- bordering on the realms of mind control
- mastering anchoring and trance words
- mastering time distortion and possibly time line therapy (the book as well)
- mastering the uses of patterns and using anchoring and nlp to master giving squirting orgams to girls
- Being a master salesman and being able to use NLP to the benefit of my career life and in networking events and landing interviews and high paying jobs while still being able to offer value to the people around me.
- Learning all the tricks that Derren Brown does but ultimately in the end being able to put NLP and SS into good use, and in a way that offers value to other people's lives.
- Become a master lie detector like Derren Brown
- Be able to hypnotise people in conversation instantly like Derren Brown and Criss Angel
- Master the art of hypnotic induction and handshake interrupt induction as well as many different types of inductions that Paul McKenna uses
- Be able to mind-read by being able to learn how another person thinks by talking with them and predicting their actions (that's how Derren Brown described how he does it in a online article I read somewhere, but he didn't leave any factual evidence or steps to learn the thing so I"ll have to do some work there figuring that out)
- read all the books recommended by channel 4 and amazon on how to learn the tricks Derren Brown does. Lots of books on subconscious and deception and other stuff. I think conversational hypnosis is a good first step.
- master the use of symbolic metaphors that In10se teaches and incorporate it into my communication including with seduction
- simultaneously improve my natural game method while practicing all this on the side as well



----------------------------Update April 16th 12am -----------------

skimmed a little through Ross Jeffries' Irresistable Arousal DVD. Honestly, I wish more of his other dvds are more focused on the techniques themselves with actual female participants but seems like thisis the only one. It's only a little over a hour long but well worth it. I think this and the SS ebook is all I would really need to learn 90% of Ross' stuff. And I checked out the first four modules of Ross' stuff on youtube titled "getting up to speed with speed seduction." I wanted to download it off of youtube but just didn't have the time or energy to do it, got all the stuff I need out of it so I don't think it'll be necessary.

One thing I realized while watching Irrisitable Arousal was that instead of thinking of this as something sneaky to get into a woman's pants, I realized that speed seduction is really a method on its own of offering value. I'm learning how to make a woman feel even more incredible emotions and in fact, I'm going through hours and hours of practice to offer so much value. Of course, I'll be doing some sneaky stuff involving Derren Brown tricks later on, but I had a total reframe on how SS relates to dating women and helping them feel better. It'd be also definitely cool to use nlp and see if I can measurable increase the confidence in my friends as I'd also like to be able to use it effectively as a therapy tool.

Practiced a little less than half an hour today on hypnotic language patterns with embedded commands. Basically I'll be practicing them until they become second nature. And I think learning SS will definitely boost my learning curve in learning hypnosis and nlp.

Unfortunately my final exams are spanning all the way to April 25th so I won't be able to apply most of the stuff I learn until then. But as AJ and Jordan said in the 2007 pua global summit, experience and muscle is gained out in the field, so I'll definitely have to start balancing between learning hypnosis and practicing it in field. Until next time!

good job keep it up! the job not your dick, hey relax dont take it to the cheeks, but seriously your inspiring

It'd be interesting to know a little more about you, and your background

_________________
Kino the inside of her vagina with your penis!

I'll paste up a link to my field report journal later, it's on a separate forum. I just gotta organize my life right now around final exams so I'll keep a bit quiet but my journal's are on RSDnation so I'll give you a link later. I just don't want to promise anything until I start taking action, which will only happen once my finals are done. cheers.

Ok, here's the link to my FR journal

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/112476


So, today, still somewhat with my cold, I practiced another 1 hour of hypnotic language patterns which I'm going to use to put in embedded commands. It's kind of like studying a textbook now but whatever, it's fun. I was doing an approach today and kind of understood the basics of where SS comes from, basically I tried pointing to myself when I was talking about something positive and it was kinda fun. Really newbie stuff and I gotta work my way up but it's a start. Still gotta finish my exams and then it will be full on.







----------------------update April 19th 2009 (10:26pm)----------------------------

So I figured out how Derren Brown might be doing his poker trick, lie detection trick, and the trick at the horse track where he buys a winning ticket for one of his participants. I've read David Lieberman's book on detecting lies but I was reviewing Derren Brown's book today (Tricks of the Mind) and I think lie detecting is still more based on defining a base line first and seeing what is done differently.

What I've realized like just 15 minutes ago is that Derren Brown may also be using Paul Eckman's Facial Action Coding System method where psychology phd professor Paul Eckman has studying in significant depth the linkage of facial expressions and human emotions. In the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, this is described, which I fortunatley remembered today. People who studied Paul Ekman's system could successfully detect lies 80% of the time (in Blink) and there was also a section where Ekman's co-researcher (well, acquaintance) called Tom could easily detect lies on tv shows, in Bill Clinton, and could even read the emotions of horse's faces through their facial muscles and be successful at the race track (or a syndicate?? I don't know what Gladwell was describing exactly but I'm guessing it's useful). So, my goal will be to learn the Facial Action Coding System and get certified in it (it takes about 100 hours to learn to practical use, not bad in my opinion) and then enter poker competitions and win some bucks, lol. Would definitely be fun to read horse expressions at the race track (it's also involving past horse records on the track, not just their expressions alone) and test my refined 'luck.'



------------------------------------------ April 20th 2009 9pm update---------------------------------

So I kind of got the gist of how making the use of feelings and emotions generate in a woman is the main focus of Speed Seduction. So I was stopping a girl today and was trying to do things like 'feel relaxed' and 'comfortable' by describing my own story of how I felt the difference in humid air when I was arriving in Canada from flying over from Singapore a couple years back. I think she was attracted to me (hb8) cuz she was staring me up and down but I think it was more cuz of my natural game and confidence, rather than whatever nlp and covert-hypnosis stuff I was trying to do. I got the overall feeling tho that I could come across as real creepy while doing this, lol, but it's only my first few times I've tried this and I still got thousands of more times to go and actually having to memorize the scripts and patterns so I'll stick with it and see how fast I can improve.

Kind of feels like I've fallen from grace cuz now I'm using non-natural game stuff, but I'm going to stick with it anyways since part of my end goal is to be able to use hypnosis and nlp to give full body orgasms for girls.Long way to go.

So, I'll have to continue practicing my story telling ability, and cold reading ability. I checked out some of Ekman's stuff on facial language (he claims to be able to detect 76% of lies through detecting facial expressions and law enforcement officers, judges, etc. that are trained in FACS can also do so with about the same amount (up to 80% of the time) so I'm really interested in learning this but I'm going to stick with conversational hypnosis first cuz right now it's too many things I'm trying to focus on and can't do that well. I'll report back after my next experiment.

just finished last CD of Ledochowski's conversational hypnosis program, now time to go back and review. I'm considering getting the $260 FACS program teaching Ekman's system, seems effective in learning how to muscle read people. One thing at a time I guess..

Ordered Paul Ekman's FACS program and just recieved Banachek's psi series volumes that I bought over ebay. Just finished listening to the first three monthly series of Taylor Starr's black ops monthly series. they were alright, can't go out cuz of my cold at the moment so I'm spending the majority of my time going through black ops at the moment since I finished listening to Igor's stuff once through, I'll be going back to both of them multiple times over the course of the future.

Some of the techniques Taylor describes such as the Iron man pattern seem nothing much different than alpha male techniques taught in pick-up but I found the major and minor concept interesting, getting the person to comply with smaller requests multiple times and then going for the big thing later on. So getting a yes-ladder with smaller compliances. He also talks about some other minor psychological stuff


I have minimal experience in conversational hypnosis and nlp but a noobs gotta start somewhere, right? So, yesterday, in addition to approaching some girls, I was waiting at the bus stop to get home when I decided to just talk to this random dude sitting next to me. I tried getting him in a state of trance but couldn't. Basically, I remembered Derren Brown paying for the jewelry with paper money by asking questions about the subway so I tried describing subway or bus situations where I asked him which made him confused more, when he's taking a bus or when he's taking a subway, lol. Hilarious, I don't think it worked, but then again, when I see those guys Derren hypnotises with conversational hypnosis, they don't seem overly in a trance state, I'm practicing noticing more when people naturally go into a trance state.


Also, just got started on reading the book "The Arts of Deceception" by James Cook. It was one of the books Channel 4 recommended on how to learn Derren tricks, but I think it was more marketing. But I still have an itnerest in the area so I don't regret buying the book, also bought a few more books on the subconscious and hypnosis and have to get started on those as well. And hopefully with Paul Ekman's stuff and the help of practice and hellstromism I'll be able to use my lie detecting skills at the poker table, though I must practice first by watching ESPN.


Oh, and another thing I learned from the bus loop interaction, I realized like when you talk to a stranger while on the bus, and then the bus arrives, it's an automatic response to just go into the bus and ignore the stranger (as I've experience when I've tried many times to pick-up girls at the bus stop, getting them to sit next to me inside the bus is another thing) so I was thinking about making a story about this that I can use in my telemarketing where I ask people to donate. Sample story:

So I was talking to this stranger the other day and it he was a really nice guy and I had a great conversation but then when it came to riding the bus, I just automatically went on the bus.


haha, ok, this is really lame but I'm just gonna make up something along that lines and hopefully it works, trial and error. hopefully the stranger doesn't become metaphorically me and the person hangs up, which I now see is possible. I'll come up with a refined version later.

--------------------------------------------------------updated April 26th 4pm---------------------
I was kinda disappointed learning that the Black Ops program by Taylor Starr was a bunch of bogus. He was teaching negs and amoging techniques using more normal terms and his voice doesn't even sound that confident. Total bullcrap, didn't finish listening to the rest of the tapes cuz thought it was bs. Checked out Banachek's hellstromism part, again, kinda disappointed cuz I thought it would give me some insight into detecting lies but hellstromism seems pretty straight forward, what Derren Brown wrote about it in his book Tricks of the Mind was almost all there was to it althought it still helped me answer some of the questions I had about it. The only attitude I liked about from Taylor Starr was that he didn't have the limiting belief that you can't covertly hypnotise/persuade someone to do something they don't like as is one of the foundational beliefs most hypnotists teach, I think this is absolutely false after seeing the tricks that Derren Brown does, though I'm aware now that mentalism doesn't give people special powers but is more close to giving illusions of control just like magic. So overall, I'm disappointed. Just finished watching some HBC documenary on lying and also says that Paul Ekman's FACS thing doesn't work all the time either because some people don't show micro expressions. But I'm still going to practice some of the mentalism routines such as forcing a thought on someone and I'm going to practice conversational hypnosis and practice putting people into trance in normal conversations. I must also master the art of reframing because when I'm in sales, and I'm dealing with objections, I can't do anything at the moment to actually solve the objections, the only thing I can do is to deal with the objection out of the thin air with combats that only change the thoughts within the prospect's head.

I'm still hoping Ekman's stuff can help me detect lies because I invested over $300 into it so I'm still waiting shipment.

I learned from mentalism that it's mostlly like magic and most are tricks with the aim of changing the focus from sleight of hand (cards) to sleight of mind (seemingly). Most of mentalism tricks use gimmicks, not much useful stuff for real life.

Finished reading Arts of Deception by James Cook. Learned about Barnum, and some other history of deception. It was mildly entertaining and more of a history book rather than anything about actually learning the art of deceiving, which was more of what I was hoping for. Only if Robert Greene had written a book like 48 Laws of Deception, lol.

Moved onto reading Sleight of Mouth by Robert Dilts and am learning the importance of reframing and how I can use it as a great tool in persuasion as well as in my journey on hypnosis.

As for SS, I decided to lay off it for the moment cuz I don't want to use it to supplicate myself thinking I'm not worthy enough to attract a girl for who I am. I'll get back to Ross' stuff after I have mastered pick-up without.

I'm going to throw away hellstromism for the moment cuz I don't think it helps too much in lie detection but I still gotta read the hellstromism parts in Corinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism book as there were some useful mind-reading techniques there as well that involved learning how to read different types of body language, sound, etc. I'll also have to check Anneman's book to see if he has some mentalism tricks involving reading body language or perhaps some useful hellstromism techniques I can actually use outside the magician's stage. Learning how to do frame controls and learning reframing techinques from NLP seems much more useful. As for now, I'm just going to focus on Ledochowski's conversational hypnosis program and practice on my friends and strangers when I'm not doing pick-up.

As for tomrrow, I'm finally feeling better from my illness so I'll be going out and posting a field report on my rsd blog (link in one of previous posts.)

Going through Irresistable Arousal from Ross Jeffries and it's fun seeing how NLP is used to create good emotions, I'm starting to notice a little bit here and there how it is naturally used but still gotta learn more and practice. I'm watching RJ's stuff for fun now but I"m considering using it after I have a more stronger genuine socia skill set on which I can use SS as the dressing to offer more value.

Other than that, yesterday I had a pretty interesting moment where I approached a girl and although the set didn't go well, ok, it was actually kinda bummer, she was a hb9 dressed like a gogo dancer during the day in downtown and I stopped her but it came accross kinda nervous and I think I came across a bit rude stopping her like that, she kinda saw me as a jerk I think and did the same thing waving her hands in front of my eyes and that interrupted my eye accessing cues and disrupted my chain of thought. More so than I thought a simple wave in front of my eyes would have done. So I think I know how Derren Brown does the trick where he makes people in the subway station forget which stop they are getting off at, by disrupting their ability to move their eyes to their resourceful location and interrupt their pattern of thinking.

Other than that, I'm finding Sleight of Mouth by Robert Dilts a wonderful book so far and feel like it's a great introductory book to NLP and I can see how RJ is using some of the things to do SS. Tony Robbin's two books were ok too and I read Mindlines by Michael Hall a long time ago but so far Sleight of Mouth has been the most comprehensive book that I'm having a good time understanding so far.

I'm also interested in learning hypnotherapy and nlp counselling so I got Bandler and Paul McKenna's DVDs lined up in my things to watch and I'm also listening to Conversational Hypnosis by Igor Ledochowski a second time (I'll be continuing to listen to it until I can get the basics down, and whenever I'm commuting in addition to the dating audios I listen to at the moment) and I'm learning new things the second round over. So overall, I think I'm getting a good basic, introductory self-lesson on NLP and its practicality at the moment. I can see how SS can be used in a relationship where there is trust and rapport to further develop the relationship and good feelings.

Another thing I learned was that when I was listening to Igor's course first time through, I thought, 'haha, the hypnosis parts don't work on me, this must be some kind of jaded course.' But actually, I listened to how Derren Brown was doing it on some of his TV episodes and noticed that his voice is just pretty plain when he's doing conversational hypnosis too, and I noticed that some of the television subjects he's using are in trance states and I had totally thought otherwise before. Overall, I"m getting much more trust in Igor's course and learning that it's not some kind of magic voice that works but understanding when different people are going through different states and how the line separating hypnosis and a normal conversation can sometimes be extremely vague.

keep writing
u havent been doing anything lately
i was reading your topic as my daily routine

Best of luck on your mission of redevelopment.

One thing I will say is you are focusing too much energy on books and research. And not enough out in the field. 25 sets a night? Are you kidding me? If you have any cop on the girls wont let you leave after 5 sets maximum. Why game 25 average sets when you can go for the kill with the best looking girls in the bar on set 1?

Real PUAs walk into a bar, find the best set and game them from the get go. You have the knowledge now. Use it[/quote]