Stormy? In the NLP section?

It's more likely than you think.

Let me first clarify that I am still all about natural game. I don't much cotton to y'all's seduction pattern rigmarole and whatnot. That ain't how the good Lord intended us to bang chicks. Praise Jesus!

But this is just too awesome.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zryGzTbU49I[/youtube]

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I think Derren Brown is the sole reason I got into NLP in the first place.
You should give his book a read, not only is it insightful with the human psyche, it's got a few little tricks in there you can play on a few people, not to mention some incredibly useful memory techniques.
The guy kicks arse and anybody who pursues NLP to gain the same effect as Derren Brown, is on to something great.

Be warned however. One thing that Derren likes to state is that he is "honest with his dishonesty" which means you can assume some of the tricks he demonstrates on his shows, are more likely set up.
The drunk trick is legitimate though.

Derren brown is my idol and role model. I've watched/read everything of his and I desperately aspire to his awesomeness. Imagine what you could do with his Jedi mind powers!

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He uses a lot of anchors, embedded commands, pattern interrupts and he controls the frame (really easy to do when people don't know you lol). Actually, on some of his youtube videos, I've posted the explanation to a few of his routines (stealing a wallet without stealing it, forgetting bus stops, and the fake money I think).

I've got a party tonight, I'll be doing some of my own concocted routines for a little DHV-action.

Plethora, I'll be writing a field report on this and I'll cover the stuff that worked for me. Stay tuned!

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You remember how the money thing didn't work on the guy at the convenience store? Was that because English probably wasn't his first language?

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Yeah, that and he's an immigrant steet-vendor who has probably seen his share of scammers and short-changers in his day lol. Probably more than the jeweler and the butcher.

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And Derren's embedded command and Trojan horse was better for the other two "...taking the subway, my friend just said 'take it, take it, it's fine, it's fine'"

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It's more likely simply because this stuff isn't just simply hit and go. It doesn't work on everyone as well and it's not surefire. About 10% of the population are particularly suggestible, and performers make use of this fact, as you will have noticed if you've ever seen a live performance (unless it's a stooge).

I really loved that series where Derren Brown used fake money, because I remember doing it myself when show first came out, I got some of my mates and the whole week I was scamming haha. It really does work. It's SUCH an adrenaline rush. I remember the first time I bought an apple with a "tenner", and the women literally put the paper on top of the counter when the money drawer opened, so she could easily compare the fake paper with the real money, but she just placed it in. She gave me all the change, and I was like SHIT, I'm an apple and over £9 up!! I immediately proceeded to gamble that money away =).

The embedded commands I used were minimal, mainly anchors and the principle of pattern interrupts and occupying the conscious mind whilst talking to the subconscious mind.

That's what really makes this trick work, it has little to do with the embedded commands.

It's all about occupying the conscious mind or "bypassing the critical faculty" and speaking directly to the subconscious mind.

I first learnt this method when studying Christian revivalism and brainwashing/mind control tactics, and I'll tell you one thing, there's very little to fear in my opinion in NLP, but if you are going to fear something, fear the religious brainwashers. Now they got skills.

There's a nother clip of one of Derren's shows when he makes people forget what station they're going to on the train, and it doesn't work on one person. A good example I can give of this in my real life is I often get free bus rides with mates. I've developed a tight game for this. It basically involved bypassing the critical faculty, whilst setting up a strong anchor - I get a mate to go before me (I'm usually getting the bus with friend(s)), and tell him to set up an anchor (usually explain it to them if they aren't in the know). I then strengthen the anchor and use it myself.

It doesn't work all the time. I'd say it works about two thirds of the time. The times where it doesn't work is often very embarassing and the bus driver thinks I am trying to scam him (which I am haha).

Just for the record I paid the money back to most of the places I scammed, and I have done no major scams and don't intend to. I'm only doing it for the purposes of learning and field-testing NLP, not to cheat or thieve.

In fact, you can assume MOST of the tricks he demonstrates on his shows, are more likely set up.

I hate it when the cynics blurt out nonsense to satiate their otherwise unaffected egocentric value.

I've read all of Derren's official books, including some unofficial ones. He is unfortunately, inconsistent in what he says - if my memory serves me correct, in 'Tricks of the Mind' he claims he never uses stooges, whereas in 'Pure Effect' (A book which I am very privileged to own, considering only a few were ever made and they are now very expensive) he admits his use of a stooge in a card trick.

The vast majority of his tricks, in my informed opinion (95%+) do not use stooges or confederates (where the stooges/confederates are essential to the outcome of the trick. I.e. not bar staff).

There is only one trick of his I don't know how to do, and that's his cold reading skills, which are absolutely mentally mad. I think I know how he does it, but his success rate is just unprecedented.

I totally understand your point. I really appreciate derren brown. But please, have an open mind, why should derren brown admit that most of his big tricks are set up, he would only sell less. And why do you think he admits SOME of his tricks are video-edited or set-up? because by doing so, he can EVEN convince intelligent people like you and me! I DO BELIEVE IN SOME of his tricks, but I'm not an ignorant. For instance he uses hypnosis and made someone really really drunk, by suggestion en anchoring, but being drunk is for a real BIG part fysiological and using only hypnosis is NOT enough. And this is only one little example.
I'm really open to you, please say to me all your arguments, cuz I really want to believe in derren's bullschit!

Hey guys, I have a really cool idea, it can all help us improve our skills, teach us some new things, and debunk Derren Brown's methods, all at the same time:

Let's reverse engineer his acts. I'm sure there are plenty of NLPers on here that see his methods for what they are (anchoring, convo hypnosis, swish, pattern interrupt, etc.). The worst thing that could happen is that the illusion gets shattered. The best thing: we each just learned some DHVs, routines, and party tricks that will really knock people's socks off.

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I don't even use NLP and I like this idea.

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This induction isn't very complicated.

He goes over the feelings that are associated with drinking, each in their turn... and goes through them all repeatedly.
E.g. first the initial taste, and the cold in the back of the throat, then on the way down, how the buzz spreads through his body, (I'm cutting it short)

it's a guided meditation, or hypnosis as it's also called.

NLP saying: It's not the drugs that make you high, it's your body's response to the drugs.
So closing your eyes and remembering each stimuli that came with drinking, in order, (this is why it may be good to have either good memory or a pen and paper) your body may react as though you have actually been drinking.

There's no difference between a really well constructed memory and a "real" memory. In your mind, there is none.


So if you guys want to try this, basically copy what Brown does,
He first has the person imagine it in full detail, or at least in detail, the sensations that comes, then the next go he anchors it to give it an extra emphasis, I don't think that is necessary, but it'll make the process easier since it now is guided both by vocal and also kinesthetic anchors.
Then you loop,
Go over, and over and over, repeatedly hitting the anchors, the sensations, and the body will react as though it has gotten drinks, since it has been told that it has.

You can do this to yourself as well, just sit down and imagine every sensation in chronological order, and repeat until the buzz comes.
(This may be used for getting drunk cheaper, and it'll also give you some control of what type of drunk you will be . I use it while going out.)



It's all about sending the message to your unconscious that you are consuming alcohol, so that it tries to counter that...

You probably all have seen people get drunk on alcohol-free beer, or something that tastes like alcohol....
(We pulled this sort of stuff on people while we were in high school, and they did get drunk... That was without even hypnosis, just plain old placebo. This is about fooling the body into believing you've ingested a poison it needs to counter, without ingesting the poison Ethanol is poisonous.)

The very act of hypnosis causes a massive physiological (not 'fysiological') impact on the brain. You might do well to understand the definition of physiological.

To be specific (I'm only being specific for aesthetic purposes, I don't care to convince you of anything), EEGs show that the activity in the brain dramatically reduces during hypnosis, typically from alpha to beta waves for a normal awake-trance state, but for deeper hypnosis the patient's brain may even operate at delta waves (theta is characterised by deep sleep or coma). This is mostly common sense.

Also, hypnosis and NLP techniques can cause massive physiological responses in the brain. Take the example of placebo for instance. There was a study conducted over two years in Ontario, Canada, whereby patients with arthuritis recieved sham (fake) knee surgery, without knowing it. The results showed that those who recieved the fake surgery improved exactly the same as those who recieved real surgery:

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/09/14/art ... ts-stroke/

Another American study looked at the effects of an injected placebo for patients with Parkinson's disease. They injected saline (water and salt) into the patient's blood, telling them it would help with their ailment. Saline should have no measurable effect on the brain, but PET scans showed a sudden release of dopamine (Parkinson's disease is caused by a lack of the neurotransmitter dopamine), just through the patient's beliefs.

Now, why have I explained the physiological effects of placebo and hypnosis?

Because making someone drunk through NLP and hypnotic techniques uses the same means as my above two concepts:

Have you ever given a friend some fizzy water, and told him/her it was vodka? I have, and my friends have. The poor dudes seem to think they're drunk. Why does this work? Through placebo.

Now add hypnosis and NLP into the equation, to create the effect of placebo, and bingo, you're in.
No thanks, you're opinions are too uninformed for me to waste my time on. Perhaps if you go away and do some learning then we can have some fun debate later.