Best way to learn NLP for seduction purposes is the long way, I've tried it the Ross Jeffries way, not that great. First off you want to learn some basic Hypnosis or NLP. If you start with Hypnosis (Major Mark is of course the best option for this) then go into NLP after. Hypnosis is more on the practical version of how to hypnotize someone whereas NLP is more on reprogramming someone. If you do NLP, I highly reccommend you start with Chris Howard, he has a very good audio course on practioner's NLP then Master's NLP (can't say anything about the Master's one not done yet, but so far adds new perspective). When you get a little bit more advanced you can learn some stuff from Tad James (time line therapy, Huna etc.). After you've got a firm idea of what NLP and hypnosis is you can move on to the seduction stuff, so where to start with that?
Rob J, I know you never hear of this guy, but this guy has some clear understandable stuff and you just can't go wrong with it.
Then move on to the courses by Riker and Major Mark (the basic stuff like hypnosis). Finally you want to go to the products by Ross Jeffries and Major Mark (advanced hypnosis, beyond seduction etc.).
Of course this last step is not neccessary if you're going through NLP by books. If you're going by books that's fine (longer but fine), just at some point you have to move on to the seduction aspect of it.
I know it's a long (and expensive) road but in the end it's worth it.


P.S. Books are cheaper

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Nice to have you back Jaxin, and I agree with your post

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Pounder has done crash courses on NLP.
maybe someone has video of it.. Really good shit.
1 year of info in 2 weeks.

mm i learned alot from that chris howard practitioner course

Hey guys.

Just my opinion, but most of this stuff (Ross Jeffries) is conversational hypnosis - embedded commands, frame control etc.

The best course (common consensus) available is 'The power of conversational hypnosis' by Igor Ledochowski.

This guy is the real deal (he has even coached some 'seduction gurus'...) and this course is outstanding. He has a very pleasant English accent. What is so great about this is it gives you these tools, very clearly and easily, and it is applicable to everything.

Once you have these groundings, you can then 'specialise' in seduction with these tools, ie Ross Jeffries, and you understand them and find them much simpler.

I make no money, nor am I affiiliated with Igor Ledochowski, but I bought this course and it is outstanding - it even gives you exercises to do in conversations so you can really learn this stuff.

I cannot recommend it enough, if you want to learn NLP for conversations, I truly believe this is the best place to start. Any questions welcome.

Cheers,
Will

I've listened to a good deal of Kenrick Cleveland
He's the source for Ross Jeffries, as far as I've seen/heard.

And he has listed a lot of useful information, such as the 18 most powerful words etc.

So look into it,

Everybody learns in different ways.
I suggest looking into every one of the names mentioned here, and find out for yourself who you learn the easiest from...

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that One single person out there has all the answers for you.

Also; be critical,
Try the stuff out, and find what works for you.

Remember to not fall into the trap of becoming some fanatic for Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Major Mark, or whomever you learn from.
If you sense yourself falling into this trap. Take a look at some of the religious fanatics and hyper-conservative preachers and followers, and remember that you do not want to become one of these...

Have a healthy scepticism to all the teachers, (remember healthy; in a way that doesn't inhibit your learning. Ok. )

Cheers

When I have time I'll listen to both audio courses by Igor and Kenrick and get back to you guys thanks for the tips

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Just bought Igor's program, will test it out and let you guys know.

PS - if you ever have to use ONLY ONE NLP routine, go with the 'natural woman' routine..... I had a runway model's jaw drop from it.... She revealed to me all her deepest passions and secrets... all while saying "Wow I cant believe I am telling you all this and I barely know you...... But you are the first man to actually explain what is so true for women"...... She was s overwhlmed she was almost hysterical.... and of course what really matters: make-out about 5 mins later and f-close that night .... Oh yeah and she turned out to be a great girl who is also bisexual... She is now my gf lol.

I wanna use the course to try and persuade her into threesomes. Wish me luck.

Hey, I have that routine lying around somewhere....

Is that the one where you say there are 2 women in every woman? (i.e. the natural and the socially programmed). Cuz I haven't tried it out, but it sounds good. Any of you guys had consistent success with that pattern?

YES, thats the one. I have used it..... Its honestly golden.

Could someone be so kind as to pm me that pattern?

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"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

The 2 women thing ;
Basically this is based upon the Jungian model of the persona and the shadow,
it works by talking to a woman, if she ever mentions like bad habits, hidden fetishes, secret desires or stuff like this, you can mention how this is feeding her shadow;

Then go into the whole intro of Jung and how he had this theory about how every person have the side which they show to the world and also a shadow; which has all their secret desires and so on; thus setting her up for the following where you describe how every person have a sexual side;
Which is so intensely sexual in every way, with every kind of kinky stuff and all this; and together with her you can then go on to giving this side of her a name, (stripper-name kind of routine)

I think this stuff was originally by IN10SE, but I'll have to look it up again.

The point of it all is that you can help her create this extremely sexual side of herself, and utilize this for your, and her, own good.

I have used some kind of version of this; I don't remember the way I talked about it, but we ended up having her "explore" her shadow, and really letting herself become as slutty as she has always wanted to be, but never dared.
(Every woman wants to be looked upon with respect and loved, idolized etc, for the respectable Lady she is,
But every woman is also an extremely sexual being, so they all have the side which wants to go all the way and be a total slut, (don't phrase it like that, soften, but you get the picture.), I'll see if I find the stuff by IN10SE, and find the phrasing he used)

Hope this makes sense

Hey guys, this Natural woman routine sounds interesting and if anyone knows more info on where to learn it, def would appreciate it.....send me a PM

Clutch

The technique is named the Shadow in the rising sun.

It is described pretty well in Thundercat's interview with IN10SE.
I'm reading through the transcript right now...


I think I actually did this technique with a woman half a year ago...
that and some other stacked with a bit of surrealistic spice made it a bit too much...

She's still head over heels in love with me, and now I'm going to have to "break up" even though I've continuously told her I'm never going to be a boyfriend...

Seriously; never think about powerful NLP-material, half-way to sleep over the phone...


She went into seriously altered states, and I almost have a stalker on my hands.... Lucky for me I moved away for school. (She's moved after, but still 4 hours or so away, and she doesn't have a car.)