thanks for help and useful info.
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now go and say the exact same thing to this guy.

If you havn't been in the game for a short while, focusing your attention on the OMS is not the way to improve your game. You cant use the OMS if you dont have the ability to pick up.
Sure the october man has apeal, but thats only one tool, there are many things to be mastered. You need to have the confidence & a strong frame to use it anyway, so focus on your inner game & take bady steps towards the person you would like to become.
Only then when you feel like you have some serious skills practice the OMS.

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thats the answer i was looking for, thanks.
i am new to this pua thing, becouse i am, how you guys say, natural.
this is all new thing for me.

I started reading the Game yesterday at the bookstore and thought it was too much like a novel. I am a man and I just want to get to the point. I want the facts. I am glad I didn't buy it yet. Not to say it is a bad book. But I want the techniques now and don't want to have to look through a large book to find them.

I did buy the Mystery Method instead and so far it is pretty good.

Even though it does read like a novel, it introduces you into the PU community. It's not just about Style and Mystery, but it's about everyone.

What gave me my game is Style's (Neil Strauss) Rules of the Game. Its a 30 day misson where it breaks things down simply, step by step, and doesnt really overload you. Even though I owned Mystery Method, and even though I understood it, I didn't know how to apply it. Thats where the Rules of the Game came in.

And it's a small book.

lol
It's too much like a novel because it IS a novel. There are dozens and dozens of instructional books out there for pickup. The Game is just a (true) story of one man's journey through his learning process in this community.

But, uh... post in the right sections. This should have been posted in the Newbies section.

honestly, "the art of seduction" is actually more of a history book about great seducers. it IS a good read, but you won't really learn any techniques. I guess its kinda cool because he breaks people down into several different seducer types and victim types. if you figure out what type of seducer you are and what type your victim is, then you have a little bit better idea as to what they may or may not respond to. but overall, just an interesting history lesson.

If you want to discuss The Game, then make a thread for it, this one is supposed to be about Forbidden Patterns, so lets get back on topic.

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Honestly, the forbidden patterns shouldnt be, and arent really forbidden. You can Download them off any torrent website. DVD's, audios, PDFs, its all out there. It can seriously mess with a person, but alot of the random kids that pick these shit up cant use it properly to do it, and most likely will not follow up with it. An Average PUA would NOT be able to pull any of it off. It really does take years to master these forbidden techniques.

That's the whole point. Guys using the skills without doing it properly and possibly screwing people up. A guy with no idea how to operate a gun and without one isn't dangerous, but if you give the man a gun and train him, he can be very effective in using it to save lives using tact and skill. Take that same man and give him a gun, show him how to use the basic operations and now he's able to do some good, there's the slight chance he does nothing of consequence either way and more likely to do a lot of random damage.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

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Yeap.
I wouldnt describe a forbidden pattern as a gun though. It's more of a...
car. haha. You control it, you take a passenger with you, you lead them, direct them, take them where you want. Happy and miserable. Sometimes you can even cause a car accident.

But same idea, we gotcha.

I'm suprised nobody talks about the gemini twins pattern.

Hehe, I gotta stop using that analogy I guess, I've had people comment on it before and say the car thing, I just don't associate with the cars so much, I guess I view it somewhat as tactical ops and you pick up some wicked cool skills and toys to play with and with the proper training/intent they can be good, or you could use it to do evil, or bungle it up and hurt a lot of innocent bystanders. I don't think there is a circumstance in the car analogy under which the driver decides to be harmful, or is harmful without being harmed himself, unless your accident is with pedestrians, then we have to get into the inequality of the driver (PUA) getting a car and the pedestrian (HB) gets nothing and can't exactly be tactically taken out in any way less than a horribly gruesome one.

Yeah, I've gone heavy into the psych side of pickup tonight, so keep up.

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Hrm, lol.

Well personally I think one of the biggest mistakes people have with the OMS is they think of it as a weapon, or tool. It can be more described as an experience (somewhat like a cardrive lol). It really isnt just a script IMO, and a big part of learning the OMS is putting yourself through it with yourself. That way you have complete control in real practice how to direct it, where to guide it, when it goes wrong, how to fix it ect. Somewhat like driving. It takes hundreds of hours of driving to know how to completely control it and learn all the roads and routes. A tool would probably fit OMS better than a weapon, but it really should be labeled as an experience. Because that is what it is. Nothing more and nothing less. Anchoring, fractionation, frame, inner-game, voice tonality ect. all these would be considered tools to operate the OMS (car) to achieve the greatest results or ride (in terms of it being an experience).

This is very important for the OMS.
DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THIS! I'm no expert on this sequence or SS but I have learned quite a bit. If anyone needs help with NLP/SS just PM me Ill be happy to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

The Door is basically a pattern that fucks the woman up completely and makes her batshit scared about you leaving by linking the door shutting to pleasure leaving her life forever...

Not really useful in any situation, if I am any judge.

Look it up, and you will quickly realize why this is no good.
It's not even related to the art of PU, it's a manipulation technique for use when you already have the girl.


Destroying a partners emotional freedom, I mean; why the fuck would a naturally evolved human being do such a thing to someone they presumably have deep emotional connection with ?


Trust me, this has no value to a true PUA.

why would you hate ross jefferies so much did he seduce your sis or something? have you ever talked to him?