Yes Eric, we get what you mean. Those "weirdos" are probably coming from a place of neediness. To me hypnotic language is just a way to better describe emotions, feelings and sensations. I'm not tricking or "mind-fucking" anyone. At any time if the person doesn't like what I'm saying, they can just walk away. This stuff works because people CRAVE good feelings.

Ericthorn,

All seduction is getting into a person's head. A new study out said that a woman who believes that a great deal of pleasure will come is more likely to engage in casual sex. From Mystery Method, who uses Kino Escalation, negs, and DHV, all of which is to create an image in the woman's mind that He is a worthy and attractive mate to give her pleasure, to using your language in a way that stimulates the mind, and guides her emotions to where she feels that being wit you will be pleasurable. There is no difference.

The big mistake is that most guys don't understand hypnotic language, they don't understand the methods of callibration, they just don't understand. they take a course from Ross Jeffries or worse read his book of patterns that you can get free from his website, and then go out and try and use that stuff.

Let me set the scene for you. Friday night, I go up to the bar in the lounge, I order a club soda, I smile at the girl next to me and give an eyebrow flash, which lowers her resistance, and elicits a smile back. (these are hypnotic rapport techniques learned from NLP). I open the conversation with an admiration of her look, then explain that it's not so much what she's wearing but the brightness in her face, a real happy, almost good will look, only made brighter by her smile. "the more you smile, the more you laugh, the better you feel," she laughs. "Feel better." (now, what I just did was linking, a hypnotic pattern). I asked her what she did, she taught kindergarten. "How'd you get into that?" Just as she started to answer, "Besides the schooling," she laughed, I touched her arm. A woman who laughs at anything you say sends a signal to her mind that she's attracted to you, now, I've given her the permission to laugh, by creating a link in her mind that the more she smile, the more she laughes, the better she feels. I let her talk about how she thought it would be a fantastic job, she loved children, she loved babysitting her cousins and her two nieces, and she thought it was FANTASTIC, how they saw the world, and right now, the job was FANTASTIC, because, she only was subbing, but, a teacher just had a kid and would be out for the rest of the year, and she was offered the job. I now used her personal trance words, Fantastic and loved, "It sounds fantastic, really, I think when you find something you think you can love, you have to just go for it WITH ME... it took me longer than I wanted to realize that, but, I finally got myself on that track as well." Here, I use punctuational ambiguity, that creates the terms Just Go For It With Me. Now, what do you look for, pupil dilation, hair touching, touching, I got pupil dilation, and a lean forward. "I'd put bottom dollar... that you're a fantastic teacher... I've never met a bad teacher that really loves the job. So do you do anything for fun."

"Of course, I love reading, movies..."

"Really, what's your favorite book?"

"I don't really have a favorite, I'm a huge fan of Ann Tyler..."

"Accidental Tourist is my favorite."

"I love Accident Tourist, have you seen the movie, it's one of the few movies that I actually bought." Now, listen to her words, she's telling me she owns it. This is called Meta-observation, as I've been having meta-discussion.

"Is that with um... who was it... not Marissa Tomei, um.. hmm, John something is the main one right."

"John Hurt."

"Okay, I might have..."

"Well you should definitely see it!"

"I'll definitely have to find someway to see it, you have got to see how your face lights up when you're passionate about something. Everytime something passionate arises in your attention, your whole face brightens, your eyes open wide, your lips curl, and..." (I touch her arm, which I've been anchoring to her smiling, laughing, to passionat , to fantastic, to all the positive and passionate things), and her face does exactly that. I point to the mirror on the wall. "It's amazing how little we ever notice about ourselves, isn't it?"

Now, for the next hour, we move over, get a table, talk, and we bring up a bunch of subjects, and I continue to use these things. Hypnotic patterns like, Imagine, or "Just pretend for a moment, you can be anywhere in the world you want, where would you take us." I'm also using subtle Embedded commands, take me home, Let's watch the movie," until, I say, "Well, I'm heading out, guess I'll call it a night... maybe try and find that movie." I touch her arm again, and kiss her cheek, and she grabs my arm. "If we were quiet, we could go to my place and watch the movie, you know, if you wanted to."

Being good at conversational hypnosis and NLP, doesn't mean knowing a few patterns, it's about knowing how to use language and body language seductively to entice, weave stories, embedd commands, lower the critical factor, and build the feeling of immense possible pleasure, for which, new science reveals, women who feel that pleasure is forthcoming or possible will engage in casual sex. Imagine being able to place yourself as the leader of her world, as someone who has complete understanding, and as you do that, you're able to take every positive feeling and with a single touch elicit that feeling in her, while she's so raptured in you're stare, in telling you everything about anything, that she doesn't notice the gentle touches, or the feelings she's getting around you, until those feelings are so intense that she doesn't want to let you go.

NLP has a variety of skills, from sensory acuity, to rapport, to anchoring, to elicitation (which is simply asking stuff about people), to setting frames and then reframing blocks and hurdles, all the while making someone feel empowered, strong, and utterly attractive. This is just the basic practitioner course information. By increasing sensory acuity you can almost become a psychic of sorts, by picking up on things normal people just overlook. I can tell if a woman will sleep with me in 3 minutes, also, usually her vocation, her education, her occupation, and her level of happiness (also relationship status and what are things that will attract her, her values and criterias for a mate).

NLP can never be outdated. Unless You are using the same examples on HBs given by RJ or anyone else in their material and the Hb has heard of or read about those patterns( it could still work on them). NLP is all about capturing and leading someone's imagination through descriptive sensory rich language.

Another Use of NLP could be modelling your friends who are already successful with women. Now that can never be outdated can it?

When i was first reading about NLP i was really skeptical about its use and was afraid about sounding a wierdo in front of everyone. But the more i read about it the more i realize that it's actually a more effective way of communication. But it takes a lot of practice though.

HOpe this helps

I get what you're aiming at, and to an extent, I feel you are indeed correct. (Key portion of that sentence being 'to an extent'.)

The issue isn't that ALL people who use NLP fail to see NLP for what it is; that is to say they ignore the global spectrum while focusing on a certain aspect they find appealing (or as you so bluntly phrased it 'The person running the NLP would have to be coming from a wack frame of mind to feel like they have to pull off this mind magic.'). The issue you bring up evolves more from the fact those you find who associate NLP solely with pua/game/sarging/whatever-the-kids-are-calling-it-these-days are those who are most commonly of the mindset you described and/or those looking for that quick magic fix they think other guys have and they don't.

Further strengthening my thoughts on this, you mentioned how you saw it's potential uses in sales. Now, I agree with that statement, however would venture as far as to say it's useful in not only certain social situations, as it appears you've concluded, but rather since all social situations are (at a base level at least) the same, it's useful in any setting in which social dynamics exist. The fact even you, someone who (I assume) does not make use of NLP as a part of your 'game', also just showed signs of the misinterpretation of what NLP is and is not.

It turns out, odds are you do use NLP, albeit unintentionally, when talking to most anyone. While you are not consciously attempting to integrate any linguistics for the sole intention of invoking a neurological response, you do likely choose your wording differently based on who you're speaking to, and what you want to bring to mind with those thoughts. Don't believe me? Ever make use of sexual innuendos? Do you say 'fuck' in a job interview? Call a female you care for a cunt/twat/bitch? (for those of you who must argue, I realize each of those scenarios have exceptions where the answer is 'yes', but seriously fuck off, it's a set of rhetorical questions).

Sorry for spelling, grammar, and lost thoughts... been out drinking tonight. 50/50 chance I got my point across so toss a coin :p

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