Sheeshkebab, thanks for your questions.
Not really mate. NLP stands for neuro linguistic programming, and can be used in a variety of applications, but was originally intended for self-help.
Again not really. NLP is learned just like anything else is. You can read it, go to a seminar, buy audio tapes that teach you, a home study course etc.
Yes! In fact if you buy Ross Jeffries' home study course, he provides 6 audio tracks that totally rid you of your fear of women and give you self confidence, using NLP. Highly recommended (although I didn't have AA so didn't need them, but listened to them to learn from them). This is a very general question and could be answered thousands of pages of information. Please make your questions more specific, thanks.

Do you have any type of go-to list of 1-2 line patterns that you use quite regularly (kinda like the nude erection one, which by the way I have never heard before so I don't think it is too common)? If yes, can you share some with us?

I've been kinda free-flowing with this stuff and trying to integrate it on the spot. I would say things like
"you look like the type of person that feel attraction immediately and know that you fall in love. With me, it takes time."

I want to organize it better and create a long list of my own that I can have ready to fire at any moment (in and out of sarging). So any good lines or mini-patterns that you use regularly would be awesome if you could share them.

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Plethora, thank you for your question.
Yes, I do! Thank you for your response RussianBear, that's a good response and I'm sure Plethora will take that into account. It is worth mentioning though, a good pattern is not merely weasel phrases and embedded commands. It combines a variety of techniques.

Some techniques, such as weasel phrases, should come naturally. You're more likely to get a straight answer if you ask "I was wondering what your age was?", then "What's your age?" That's obvious.

But, I do think it is a good idea to have 'lists' which you can learn from, or create canned material. Sure, ideally you won't need them (as I don't use them), but in order to get to this stage I believe it's much faster to FIRST create lists and canned material.

I have an SS quick reference .pdf file which has literally 100's of pre-made patterns. Don't remember where I acquired that, must've been at some seminar. Obviously I can't share this due to copyright issues.

I will give an example though, and then as you asked, some of my favourite phrases which you can incoorporate. These mean little on their own, NLP is only effective when stacked.

Below is one of Ross Jeffries' most famous patterns - it is a version of the discovery channel pattern, verbatim:
Alright?

Now that's quite a long pattern. Patterns don't have to be long. There is a specific method to creating SS patterns which I will explain another time. There's more to it then just a few weasel phrases and a few embedded commands.

Now, here are some random phrases I use a lot:

"YOU, LIKE ME can understand that..."

"Yeah, when you're being seduced by Rafiel YOU REALLY FEEL GREAT. WITH ME" (remeber to self-point).

"So your ideal guy's name begins with R and ends in L? So THIS PERFECT PERSON (self point), tell me, when THIS AMAZING PERSON TALKS TO YOU, how do you feel?"

"As you listen to the tone of my voice, you..."
(This does two things. It is a hypnosis pattern - as you x, you y, where x = something true, and y = something you want them to do/feel. The other thing it does is that by focusing in on your voice, the rest of the world zones out)

"You know when I first met you..."
(I made this up, field tested and gold. This phrase makes it seem like you've known them for a long time, and it bypasses critical faculty. The reasons why will take me a while to explain)

"Once upon a time..."
(Similar to above. You can incooproate role-play into this)

"Yeah. Well you can DROP YOUR THOUGHTS, GRAB YOUR BAG and COME (cum) WITH ME NOW if YOU LIKE. ME, I think this will be fun!"
(I always incoorporate this sort of thing into isolating. What you do is you name the specific things they will do in order to come to you. E.g. Pick up their bag, hang up on the phone etc, because this works)

"I bet you could imagine a time maybe 6 months later still enjoying that amazing attraction, and looking back on a time like now as having been the start of it all. Isn't that amazing?"
(This is pure Ross Jeffries material. It is a double time distortion, and makes them feel they've known you for ages)

"My mate Kim was saying yesterday that when YOU FEEL SO ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE (self point), you either BECOME REALLY EMBARASSED or FEEL TOTALLY ENTHRALLED. Which one do you find to be true?"
(Here, by making them feel either embarrassed or enthralled, you are presupposing that they are totally attracted. Note the quote as well.)

"What do you think is the difference between attraction and desire?"
(They have to feel the emotions to understand them)

"When was the last time you felt so attracted to someone? And when YOU FEEL ATTRACTED, do you blush or have butterflies? Well I'm asking because..."
(Taking them back to a time they felt an emotion is one of the strongest ways of getting them to feel it. You are then taking this emotion to the present tense, and at the end rooting yourself)

Ok, I could go on forever, and this is fairly sporadic and random with scattered techniques. I have not explained them all fully, but I hope this helps Plethora =)

Rafiel, you speak about the importance of voice tonality. Would you post some audio clips or links that demonstrate proper tonality? That would help me to better understand what you mean.

Many thanks,
-Mystique

PS I'm a big fan of your posts

Thanks Raffy. I happen to have the discovery channel pattern memorized already, along with love vs. attraction, rising sun, and Ross' friend zone pattern. That list of mini patterns is nice though, because now I know more places where it is possible to insert embedded commands or suggestions. Thanks again.
Yes, and that is where I am aiming for. I know the basic structure for commands: Weasle phrase/quote, command verb, adjective, state you want to have them feel. I want to make a list not so I can recite them or use as canned material. I want to make a list because then I will not forget any good ones and also I will be comfortable enough to be able to use them naturally in any situation.

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Ok, how about... embedded commands in University papers to get a better grade..?

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does anyone have a list of "weasel phrases" normal/ everyday phrases that can be molded and said .

what are some that you use as salesman ... from salesman to salesman give me some advise .. what do you say to finish the deal

Thanks very much for your post and help, RussianBear. I would appreciate it in future that if you wish to help, you create your own thread, because my name is at the top of this one and so any false or uninformed opinions you may make do not rub off well onto me. Therefore I hope I’m not being too nitpicky if I just fine-tune a few of your points to my standards (although you give many excellent tips, well done!):
In my experience there are many better products to teach those sorts of language patterns. Zebu cards were created by a chap called Robert Anue to teach Ericksonian hypnotic language patterns. You can buy his Zebu cards online. May as well buy Zebu from the chap who created them, right?

This is a PU forum though, so please keep information specific to PU. On a side note, as a salesperson myself, I have found the best products for me have come from...

Anthony Robbins
Marshall Sylver
Michael Brooks
Kenrick Cleveiland (could never spell his name)
Shelle Charvet
Tad James
Charles Faulkner
Donald Moine
Igor Ledochowski
James Prochaska
John Overdurf
Michael Hall
Larry McLauchlin

There are more but I can't remember them all at the moment.
Most of the types of language patterns you are talking about, RussianBear, is known explicitly and famously in NLP as the ‘Milton model’.
Or, more simply put in NLP terms, you are presupposing.
This is not the best way to embed a command. Embedded commands are like affirmations. They should be in the present tense. Hence instead of ‘if you decided to buy this car’, you should focus on the extended line to ‘if you DECIDE TO BUY THIS CAR’.

Instead of ‘You can take comfort in knowing that you will have…’
It should be ‘You can take comfort and know you have…’.

Instead of:

’When you buy this car, you're not just buying this car, you're buying into this dealership and myself. You know the service you will be getting with your investment and that is why you decided to buy here.’

It should be: ‘When you buy this car, you’re won’t just buy this car, you buy into this dealership and myself. You know the service you get when you invest and that is why you decide to buy here, ok?”

(End with a neutral question that gets them to affirm, in doing so they are presupposing their affirmation of the previous statement).
Be careful where and when you use pauses. Sometimes it is essential to be giving off non-verbal cues and not let pauses happen. I have to sell insurance where I work and once I’ve made my main pitch (although the whole conversation is my pitch), and let them decide, I immediately read their non-verbal signals and if it is negative, before they realize they are going to say no I interrupt. Also during pauses I am giving subtle thumbs up etc.
I don’t know where the jargon ‘posthypnotics’ came from, because that implies ‘after hypnosis’, when these are merely very standard techniques for basic hypnosis, DURING hypnosis.

Once again thank you for RussianBear’s response, I hope it is adequate enough for you, if not please say so and I will post a full response from knowledge and experience. It is very easy for me to just come up with stuff off the top of my head. I hope I haven’t been too pedantic in my standards by brushing up what the previous poster said.

Keep an equilibrium between what you read/learn and what you practice in field. This goes for much of game, but is particularly important when it comes to NLP.

For those just starting out and even with a lot of knowledge of NLP - once you start to use it in field, you will, without a shadow if a doubt find that so much of the stuff you thought would be potent set-killers literally seem to have no effect at all. You will definitely find this, I have seen it in many PUAs who I've trained in field.

So, you will begin to realise that just by having the knowledge, you haven't learnt anything at all. To learn it, you have to practice it in field and be prepared to get blown out a lot. In time you will realise what works for you and what doesn't, or what can be replaced by more efficient methods.

And indeed, in time you will realise what can fucking kill a set because there are indeed gems of patterns that are intensely powerful. But you can only discover how they work in field.

You could even try and get a friend to practice it with. A couple of years ago I got a friend and promised to teach him a lot of what I knew if he'd take part in my experiments - every Wednesday I'd mess with his thoughts and make him think red was green and orange was blue etc (of course I returned him back to a normal state much like standard hypnosis) - but this will help build your confidence.

Don't expect magic results to begin with. Don't be fooled by all the hype in the media. Read 10%, practice in field 90%.

I know for a fact that for 95% of the people here, the reality is much the opposite.

Rafiel,
I have some questions for you:

1) Do you think is it needed to have a hypnotist level of knowledge in NLP to get results in seduction, or just being able to create your own patterns with embedded commands, suggestions, weasel phrases, etc on the fly and deliver it is enough to get results?

2) Do you know if using SS in other languages like portuguese, spanish, etc would reduce the effectiveness as opposited to english?

Thanks

PS: This thread should be sticky.

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Hey Rafiel!

The swish pattern, how does it work with mental movies and other sensories? All my sources on it revolved around it as disassociating pictures and visuality

Cheers,
Pulse

Hey Mind Hacker.

Thanks for the questions - in response -

1) It's worth saying that a 'hypnotist's level of knowledge' is quite subjective, and many hypnotists don't know NLP (although they are undoubtedly using principles unknowingly, and in fact, much of NLP was derived from hypnotism). However, I won't be boring. I wouldn't say you need to be a hypnotist or have that level of knowledge to have results in seduction, as you put it. And I'm glad you've put it that way, because that's the goal, and it's important that we work towards RESULTS, not making some long-winded killer pattern loaded with every technique we've ever read about.

Hypnotism however, is an awesome art and I'd very much recommend looking into it if you're going to strongly incorporate NLP into your game. Hypnotic principles are quite easy to learn and fairly simple at heart, the hard part is trying it and learning through trying (and in doing so developing your confidence that you can actually do it). The powers of hypnotism are in many ways quite unlimited, if you know how to make it work. I attended a psychology conference last year in London by the guy who taught the magician Paul McKenna. He performed hypnotic 'tricks' on the audience, including myself. Some of the things he did you just wouldn't believe unless you were there - for instance, he made himself invisible to certain people. He'd then pick up a girl from the audience and fly her across the room - the poor volunteer participants thought she was actually flying. As you can see, the art requires a lot of responsibility.

Anyway, I digress. You gave two options in your question - creating your own patterns is fairly simple and won't get you results. It may sound boring but literally the only way you can harness the power of NLP is to try it out cold-blooded in field over and over. If I had all the knowledge I have right now about NLP, but hadn't tried it much in field, I would have no success with it in field. That is how crucial it is. Perhaps you have had some results. Perhaps you have not. Either way can you stop and imagine your ideal situation, where you just used some prime NLP to a girl who is really your style. What is the expression on her face? You know she's yours tonight. How does that make you feel? If I had to choose two things in my experience to get you that great feeling over and over, it would be these:

-You need the frame/rapport/to be leading/their subconscious permission for you to manipulate them using NLP (you'll often hear hypnotists using lines such as "allow yourself permission to...")

-Get into a situation where you can easily be heard and you won't be disturbed. Then, you can rinse her.

2) This is a good and quite common question. It won't reduce the effectiveness, but obviously if you're using pre-made patterns, if you're using any phonetic techniques they will be rendered ineffective, such as the classic "new direction" = "nude erection". P.S. I'm trying to find a Spanish girl to sarge to teach me Spanish for free .

Hello big man

I recommended the swish pattern to you as in my experience it has been one of the most powerful patterns. Just google searching it there is some quite good literature on it, as I expected, as it's a fairly well known pattern at least within NLP. Having said that it's not a 'pattern' or a single set of words as such, it's more a generic term for a set of techniques. Different people do it differently but the ideas are the same. For a simple intro, I found this website first on google:

http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/swish.php3

On that website they don't go much into other submodalities but try and use as many as your mind can imagine - they mention a few at the bottom. Light and colour are usually good ones. The shift or 'swish' as NLP practitioners call it should be quick, only last about 2 seconds tops, otherwise the effect won't be strong. Derren Brown uses the swish pattern a lot in his magic. You can get someone else to do it on you or do it yourself. If you're doing it yourself, it's worth finding a quiet place and relaxing before hand.

Unfortunately I haven't got a clean script for the pattern as I deleted all my material a while back. Here is another link:

http://www.renewal.ca/nlp29.htm

Do you ever view images of yourself or your past that haunt you? If this is the case, next time instead of trying to fight it just disassociate with it. A good way to do this is say you have the image in your mind.

-Now imagine the image is playing as a movie at the cinema
-The movie is in black and white
-You are sitting down in the cinema watching the movie
-Now imagine that you are at the top of the seats, or in the box, and you can see yourself sitting down below watching the cinema.

This will dramatically help you disassociate from all the negative feelings involved.

I actually just found this link which gives you tips for the technique. This link is very good and the tips they give have worked very well in my experience:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Top+Ten+T ... 1073866291

The final thing you can do to cut ties to these experiences that you had, is to stop, sit down and relax. Now allow yourself just for a moment to feel these bad experiences or feelings as they used to haunt you. Now, imagine the cord that is connecting you to them. What colour is it? What does it look like? Allow yourself to cut this cord once and for all, but when you do it, be sure that you want to rid these experiences from you forever, because once you've cut the cord they're gone and they can't communicate with you anymore.

One other thing I would suggest. If they really bother you and you cannot explain them, it may be worth seeing a psychoanalyst as they really look into past experiences. I've met a couple and as long as they're not stone-cold-Freudian, as in, OCD about pure psychodynamic theory, then they're usually awesome.

Thank you Rafiel.

Your explanation actually led me to another question:
Are NLP and hypnosis 2 different disciplines or they're 2 names for the same thing?

From my understanding NLP is an specialization of hypnosis where you don't require a very deep trance to affect the unconscious mind, you just use the language in a better way. But I don't know it's correct.

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'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries