Ramblings on Frames in PUA and Attraction



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:07 am 
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I had some next level stuff go on a few days ago. Was watching Jamie Fox on SNL and his semi-racist rant provoked a thought in my NLP mind, the thought that laughter is a byproduct of two frames clashing and building tension, and the laughter is the break.

I know of a small scale this is the premise behind Push-Pull. The two frames set often is "I like you" and "I dont like you". This applies to Neg's as well as C/F in most situations.

For guys who dont understand frames as an attraction tool, I find it easier to break it down as such: Impose a strong frame that conflicts with or makes absurd a frame assumed by the person or society in general.

Before you get all up in a bunch that this is not NLP, this comes down to how you believe in and frame the interaction, it is the delivery.

I now look at all my attraction like this. I try to have two frames conflicting having friction and the release is humor. When two frames collide, often in the form of a shit test/congruence test, the woman knows my frame (intention) is to pick her up, and I do not hide it, I let it collide with hers. Her Frame is always a degree of no sex right now.

Now, put frames into words:

1.

Her: "I am not sleeping with you." - Frame is clear, no sex.

You: "I was not trying to sleep with you!" Frame is not existent. That's why you mess up this test.

This is the WORST way to handle the test.

2.

Her: "I am not sleeping with you." Frame is no sex.

You: "You dirty girl! You are moving WAY too fast." Frame is no sex, yet.

This is decent, its a frame bridge. Bridging where the two of your frames are in an interaction. It works fairly well because it avoids friction so it is easier.

3.

Her: "I am not sleeping with you." Frame is no sex.

You: "Thats cool. Anyways." You ignore her frame, and although not expressed she KNOWS your frame placed on the interaction still is in effect.

The problem is women will tend to disagree with you still, and cause LMR with this one.

4.

Her: "I am no...I think we know her part.

You: "We wont have time to sleep. Anyways..." You REJECT her frame, and impose your frame of "Its on" and you will have sex.

This one is GREAT, if you can pull it off. I see this is as pure "Blow me or Blow me out" by Brad P. If you stack foreword fast enough she passively accepts your new, superior frame (For the pick ups sake) and it works well. Problem is, it builds so much tension between the frames that you can get aforementioned blow outs much quicker in a relatively safe set. But for super quick lays, I would try it.



The point is the tension. That is why "We wont have time to sleep" becomes humorous, it is the tension release. It does not release all the tension, just enough to let the interaction continue. You can say something different, as long as it rejects her frame and has some form of tension break in it to now blow the set up.



Full circle to Humor and Attraction, specifically Push/Pull. This is pure delivery and calibration. Smaller frames are often flashed to create tension. Frame her as simply fitting your standards, then not. "Can you cook" in qualification is a frame you want her to jump into. Once she does it the frame is she is attempting to fit your standard. This builds attraction as well due to the tension it creates. Another small flash of a frame for attraction is covered by being playful or dominant. Both frames that put her into a role that are easily accepted, but build attraction because she can refute the frame. If you cold approach in the day and try to be playful right off the bat, you will get some hesitation and resistant. When she complies with such a frame you get attraction.

Frame Tension (My word, share not steal my friends) is how I tool my game for quick results. This attraction point/BT Spike in Frame Tension is the point where if you dont handle the frames with efficacy by this point they collide and you lose the set. Frame can be the qualification example. She complies she releases the social tension and frame tension that would exist and did with a lack of compliance or answer.

In attraction it is creating tests (I got this from Sinn, making tests to get quicker attraction and compliance) by double stacking two frame tension points. First tension point is the test creating action such as an overly cocky and funny statement. She tests you on this, and you pass this test and spike attraction in the traditional manor. I then like to double down on the attraction and impose a strong frame within my initial test resolution.

Example is:

We are not sleeping together.

I reply with "We wont have time to sleep"

I stack foreword with another frame that she wants to resist such as "Anyways, the sunrise looks great from my apartment, you will love it."

When that all seeps into her mind, you get backlash AGAIN "Ugh, I am not going back your place" is not abnormal. But, when you deliver your frames playfully, she will not be shrewd (To avoid the social pressure and tension) or bitchy, she will be playful. She will give you an eye roll, a playful glare.

I then follow up with a softer test handling option such as "You are right, who invited you?"

Once I stack through the second test and I do not get blown out, I solidified the initial frame and depending how you handle the second test dictates if you establish a new frame or just more attraction.

Ideally this stack of frames has her not test you the second time. You handle the first test, confirming the first frame you impose or you two sleeping together, and the second frame set is often established passively (Another Sinn gem).

In one sentence I flip I girl from some attraction, to super attraction through a passed test, and then a frame that means we will sleep together. Work is done. Your pick up is done, just handle logistics.


Thoughts? This makes sense to me, and I use it quite often, but am not sure this is a concept that is teachable. Leveraging two test together and using the tension between the two frames twice in a row to lock in attraction.

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