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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:04 pm 
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I posted this in the PUA lounge as i just remembered this site now has a section dedicated to NLP, so i'll replace it here.

Hey what's up guys? I truly feel that my odd/different/unusual way of speaking tends to make people feel confused as to what kind of person i am and in a face paced environment like a club, their attention span is hard to control even if you can fluently spit game.

On the outside i'll look like a confident, muscular, alpha, kind of guy...but since once i begin talking to someone i can immediately see an expression of confusion on their face. Although i usually never mention the fact that i stutter unless it's brought up or something the topic of speech pathology is discussed. Although it doesn't necessarily make people weirded out by me...the attraction that was initially there diminishes.

I don't mean apply NLP to myself in "curing" stuttering b/c i've been doing it since age 4....there is NO cure, so i simply have to accept this as a part of me and i'll do it until the day i die.

I just had a thought considering the theory of NLP and more specifically "anchoring". When a non-stutter stutters, they are usually nervous/unconfident/intimidated/don't know what to say so it would be only natural that they anchor the act to those specifics when witnessed in other people.

Is there a way that i can subconsciously reframe that belief in other people? Granted some people have more acceptance than others, but to be honest most are very shallow in this department. When i first speak to someone and i know sooner or later they are going to hear my influent speech or see my facial distortions due to hitting a bad block or what not(even as soon as the opening line), can i somehow TELL them that i stutter, but ANCHOR it to something positive so it will no longer be a turn off?

I know a very smart guy and have the ability to converse on any topic, and if not i can't help but bombard you with questions to learn. I'm not saying that stuttering is a curse b/c it has probably made me tougher person, but it is truly a disadvantage when you're trying to get strangers hot in their panties before they really get to KNOW you. I never thought about this before, so i'm curious if any of the NLP experts here have heard this type
of question before.

Thank you for reading and any help is appreciated!


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This is a bit late for a reply but I would say actions can speak louder than words in certain situations. Learn how Mystery uses body language to communicate, and this will definately help with your stutter.

Another way of a girl letting go of the fact that you have a stutter is making creative jokes/openers about it.
Or tell interesting stories about people misunderstanding you because of your stutter that has a humorous twist to it.

Like, this is just an example:

OPENER:
PUA: Write on a piece of paper "Would you rather date a guy with a stutter or in a wheel chair. Circle one".

hand this paper to her.

99.999% of women will most likely choose stutter.
Then just say, "Well its youre lucky day *smile*.

that kind of confidence is crucial and key.
Then to create comfort tell a story where like an asian waiter couldnt understand what you were saying so you ended up leaving the restraunt and you wrote on a piece of paper "fuck you". IDK, something funny.

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I don't mean apply NLP to myself in "curing" stuttering b/c i've been doing it since age 4....there is NO cure, so i simply have to accept this as a part of me and i'll do it until the day i die.


I'll believe that the day I see it. This is exactly the type of application NLP was created for. I would suggest talking to someone who professionally practices NLP. It's quite possible that if they can't fix it entirely, they'll at least be able to significantly reduce the amount of stuttering you do.

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How would you anchor a stutter to something positive? I don't simply only mean stuttering, but in general, how do you anchor things or objects to something positive?


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...how do you anchor things or objects to something positive?
If you're familliar with NLP at all, this should be obvious. The answer is the same way you anchor anything to anything else...

If you're not familliar with NLP, then I suggest reading up on it a bit. Here's something to get you started...
http://www.nlpu.com/whatnlp.htm

http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_deve ... horing.htm

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Thanks for the links, reverse. BTW, I am familiar with NLP and anchoring. In regard to anchoring, I know about collapsing anchors to trigger off a particular feeling in any situation (2nd link) and I know about anchoring postive emotions to yourself while talking to another person by pointing to yourself/touching your chest. I just don't understand how to anchor something positive to something commonly perceived as negative/neutral to another person. For example, how would slyder (the OP) anchor his stuttering to something positive so an HB or whoever he is talking to, doesn't judge him b/c of his stutter? Like, could he somehow anchor his stuttering to a positive experience that the HB had in the past, so when he stutters, the positive experience is triggered?


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The theory behind anchoring stuttering is the same as anchoring anything. You would elicit the intended feeling (something good) in the person you are trying to anchor to, you then introduce the anchor (you stutter) at the climax of this feeling.

Now, stuttering itself provides an interesting problem, because the fact that you stutter would make it much harder to properly elicit the feeling, and anchor it.

Stuttering while trying to elicit a feeling will most likely make the intensity drop, as it is distracting from the focus.

The other problem I foresee is that you will only want to stutter to set the anchor. Any stuttering before this will not allow the anchor to be set properly.




So, basically what I'm trying to say, is if you stutter, it's very unlikely that you'll be able to anchor stuttering to a positive feeling yourself. However, someone who doesn't stutter could relatively easily use a stutter as an anchor.

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This is all about inner game, as I view the "problem".

Just allow yourself to be cool about it.
Relax.
Don't let the stutter mean anything.
You're giving it too much power.

Don't let the stuttering make you nervous.
What right has it to control your confidence ?
Don't allow it to become a ball and chain.
The thing that is most important in how people view you is your own internal image. How you view yourself.

If you're cool, calm and collected. Showing great intelligence, and ability to manifest great states in a girl. Speaking with a great control over tonality and tempo. The stutter will diminish to just a small insignificant bump in the road.

It is of no more significance than you make it.

If the rest of you shows no sign of discomfort with it, I see no reason for it to be for any other.

Anchoring would be difficult, as people already usually have anchors to stuttering. Anchoring to voice and speech is not that easy, in my view. It's just as well for you to anchor things to yourself, as the stutter Is a part of you.

But you could try to anchor the stuttering as a source of sex or arousal.
(be creative. Embroider some tale about how Casanova or Don Juan actually had a stutter (it's not lies, it's flirting), or how according to some science journal, people who stutter actually are better in bed,
make up some shit before you go out, preferably with some detail, in case they're curious.)

That may work, but again. I think most people already have things anchored to stutters.
So if you're seeking for easy ways of using NLP or stuff like that, I'd rather go for anchoring good feelings to yourself.

Look into some Ross Jeffries. He is a good source for inspiration into how to anchor good stuff to you.


On the good side, the stutter does separate you from the herd.
Make you stand out a bit.
Let it be a good thing.



Or if it bothers you greatly
what you can do is just to let it go.
If you're finished with it that is.

There's no need to carry on with it if it has no value for you.

I bet there are times, maybe when speaking about something in a relaxed environment, feeling confident and relaxed, when you don't stutter.

If you do, then what does it take to make you stutter =?
Find out this and then look at yourself when you start the stuttering.
notice what it is that makes you go into this behavior.
you can then, if you wish, instead allow yourself to instead become relaxed, or energized, whatever you wish.

But, really, I'm in no way any master of the arts, so if it truly bothers you. Go see a practitioner in NLP or Hypnosis. (or Read up/watch material with Richard Bandler (I recommend Bandler, as there are many who claim they're NLP-practitioners, yet they have no clue who he is.
Which shows how much they know.)
, and gain insight into the field yourself.

Perhaps it is not really a problem at all.


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check out the e-book 'I Have a Voice: How to Stop Stuttering' by Bob G. Bodenhamer.
Bob Bodenhamer and John C. Harrison explain the true causes of blocking/stuttering, and its SPAM. states, beliefs, anchors, you name it. it's there.

the swish pattern by Tim Mackesey:
Purpose
To move from an unresourceful state to a resourceful state instantly. To “break state.”
If you are experiencing anticipatory anxiety before speaking, swish away the feeling quickly. If you have negative feelings after a stutter, prevent a new somatic memory on your time-line. The swish pattern is a powerful tool- when combined with reframing and the Drop-Down Through pattern- to help become “relapse-proof.”
Where there are many versions of the swish pattern in NLP, this is my favorite. Why? The fast, kinesthetic movements of the hands complement the visual and auditory experience. As you see and feel the toxic state on the back of your right hand, you bring it closer to your face and welcome the feelings intensifying. When you are fed up of this feeling and image, you do a quick motor movement of your hands while saying “swish.”
Hence, this version of the swish pattern incorporates V-A-K: Visual, Kinesthetic, and Auditory channels. Some people pick a word such as “fluent,” or “confident” in place of “swish.” Make sure you say a word when doing the arm movements.
Application
When anxious, angry, nervous, or any other toxic unresourceful state. Why stay in a bad mood when you can change instantly? Break state !!
Process
Identify the mood/feeling and put in on the back of your right hand. Feel and see a memory of that toxic state. As you bring the hand closer it intensifies the negative feelings.
Shake that off and break state. It is critical to clear your head before #3.
What state do you want to be in? What is opposite of the toxic state? Recall a time when you were in that ideal state….imagine it intensely…..see, hear, and feel what that is like….breath the way you did, now. When you have it amplified to a 10/10, put it on the back of your left hand. This is your positive anchor. A ring band is a great visual target. As you bring the hand close you feel better- great.
Shake it off and break state.
Put your right hand out in front of you and as you bring it in the negative feeling will intensify. Just let your self experience it, as it is only a feeling. Get your left hand into position in front of you with arm fully extended; just left of center. So now you have the right hand “in your face” close and the left hand at full extension. Your are now loaded and ready for action! As you say the word “swish,” rapidly push your right arm out to full extension and bring the left/positive hand in real close. With the left hand close, recall the positive state intensely. The arm movement is to be done rapidly and with intense feelings.
Shake it off and break state.
Test: look at your right hand. Is there still some negative feeling left? If it is gone, great. If not, repeat exercise as many times as you need until the looking at the right hand is completely emotionally neutral. You should be able to say “It’s gone.” Congrats !! You used the swish pattern to run your brain and change your break state instantly.
When you realize that you now have a tool to immediately change your mood, how will that change your future? What will become easier? When and where do you imagine using it in the days and weeks to come?
In the future, use your left hand, and the positive anchor, to step into a resourceful mood when you desire. “Stacking the anchor” means to recall new, great experiences on that anchor point. As you bring the left hand up and you focus on the anchor point (i.e., ring band), it will “fire off the anchor” and put you into a resourceful state. So, after each positive, new experience you will want to re-associate into that great memory, amplify it to 10/10, and then open your eyes and see it on the left/hand positive anchor point. How bright will your future time-line be? Public speakers, athletes, actors, and others who seek peak performance use this technology.
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I myself stutter and I have tried anchoring. It didn't work. The only success I have had is with a top of the line speech pathologist. Contact the National Stuttering Association and ask for the best speech pathologist in your area. High quality speech pathologists cost a lot but they are worth every penny. The person I work with knows all of the people who write (respectable) books, do research and run the stuttering association. If you want fluency, you need someone like that.

Ohh bye the way, some guy said that a particular book will cure you. That is impossible since scientists are still trying to find out why we stutter. They known what happens in the vocal cords but they don't know why. Don't buy any product that is a magic pill.


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