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Well i'm doing psychology in college and although i havn't read a huge amount into what i posted above it can of course be said that the mind is an extremely complex organ. All of my professors are highly against the use of hyponosis as it can do untold damage to the mind.

All your minds processes like thinking patterns, your ability to retain information, your passions, likes, dislikes emotions, muscles contraction and movement concentration etc. There are so many processes that we can't gauge. If hypnosis were to effect one of these processes like "our abilitiy to retain information" for example it may be unfixable. Its like pouring an unknown substance on your calculator, you just dont know what going to happen. Maybe the number 2 button wont work anymore.


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Saro, I have read many of your posts and I respect what you say.

Can you direct me to any papers or studies that show the dangers of hypnosis.

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Well i'm doing psychology in college and although i havn't read a huge amount into what i posted above it can of course be said that the mind is an extremely complex organ. All of my professors are highly against the use of hyponosis as it can do untold damage to the mind.

All your minds processes like thinking patterns, your ability to retain information, your passions, likes, dislikes emotions, muscles contraction and movement concentration etc. There are so many processes that we can't gauge. If hypnosis were to effect one of these processes like "our abilitiy to retain information" for example it may be unfixable. Its like pouring an unknown substance on your calculator, you just dont know what going to happen. Maybe the number 2 button wont work anymore.
Funnily enough one of my lecturers does a series on hypnotic transes and it's benefits.

1. While you may not remember a hypnosis session. That doesn't mean that during the session you were not conscious.

2. Hypnosis is not a state of un-conscioussness, jesus christ a basic lecture on cognitive psychology would tell you that. Hypnosis is a state of altered consciousness.

3. Following 2, a hypnotist cannot force something upon you without you agreeing to doing it, acting like an 8 year old for example, is just about bringing a person to reduce their social anxieties for a short period of time, and imagine that they are a child.

There behaviour is influenced directly by what they believe about 8 year old children. On top of that, that participant agreed to stand on stage, so when the hypnotism works it's becuase that person agrees and is allowing the hypnotist to make them feel things.

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Question how do you know all your proffessors are against the use of hypnosis? Have you asked them, did they claim this at the begginning of their lectures? (whether it was relevant to their area of expertise or not.)

As far as "we know very little about the mind" goes, it's actually we know very little about VERY FEW area's of the mind. As for the rest of it, we know quite alot.

Edit: Untold damage? You do realise that a hypnotic induced condition doesn't stay with you for life?


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Wow someone that doesn't speak out of their arse! Great!

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don't fuck with mind. You can mess something up.

We actually do know very little about mind and everything else as well(structure of cells in our body, astronomy-you name it, we know little about it.) Mind contains enormous power, which should not be underestimated. Playing with mind is like playing with fire, you can get burned.

Read about homeopathy. Classical homeopathy. its based on minds self-curing abilities.

Anyways, I'd never suggest anybody to mess with people's minds. You can get laid without that.


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don't fuck with mind. You can mess something up.

We actually do know very little about mind and everything else as well(structure of cells in our body, astronomy-you name it, we know little about it.) Mind contains enormous power, which should not be underestimated. Playing with mind is like playing with fire, you can get burned.

Read about homeopathy. Classical homeopathy. its based on minds self-curing abilities.

Anyways, I'd never suggest anybody to mess with people's minds. You can get laid without that.
You do not know what you're talking about. Why do people find it so difficult to refrain from speaking out of their ass?
And homeopathy? No, it's a joke. Science has long been aware of the power of placebo, but to dress it up with false science and create a multi-million dollar industry is not the way it should be used. Absolutely the most patronizing thing since psychics.
Why did you mention astronomy?

Fin has it spot on. Somebody's lecturers all said hypnosis was dangerous? Guess the old phrase is relevant here; those who can do do, those who cant teach


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don't fuck with mind. You can mess something up.

We actually do know very little about mind and everything else as well(structure of cells in our body, astronomy-you name it, we know little about it.) Mind contains enormous power, which should not be underestimated. Playing with mind is like playing with fire, you can get burned.

Read about homeopathy. Classical homeopathy. its based on minds self-curing abilities.

Anyways, I'd never suggest anybody to mess with people's minds. You can get laid without that.
You do not know what you're talking about. Why do people find it so difficult to refrain from speaking out of their ass?
And homeopathy? No, it's a joke. Science has long been aware of the power of placebo, but to dress it up with false science and create a multi-million dollar industry is not the way it should be used. Absolutely the most patronizing thing since psychics.
Why did you mention astronomy?

Fin has it spot on. Somebody's lecturers all said hypnosis was dangerous? Guess the old phrase is relevant here; those who can do do, those who cant teach
Of course bunch self-made, "hypnotists" know better. You probably read a book or two and now you're Mister I know All. Who speaks out of his ass?Me? Or the creepy-weird, mind control junkie who has nothing better to do than spend his life trying to manipulate others because he doesn't get laid. Chill dude you don't have to be hypnotist to get a gf or a fuckbuddy or whatever. Even if hypnosis does work-leave it to professionals and- don't f*** with brain or it can f*** you up.


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Of course bunch self-made, "hypnotists" know better. You probably read a book or two and now you're Mister I know All.
I apologize for the way I phrased that earlier. I was out all weekend and was up early for work.
In the last two years I've had extensive (and expensive) training in hypnosis (hypnotherapy specifically) as well as direct emails with 2 of the big names in hypnosis. I've done therapeutic work with people, but never in a professional context. I've got two soon-to-be clients, as soon as I save up enough to rent an office space.

I'm not saying this to boast. I'm saying this because for so long mis-education around hypnosis has caused it to become such a taboo. It's often classed alongside acupuncture and other alternative medicines that have little or no evidence to support them. I'm passionate about hypnosis, and I've seen the good it can do in people so I'm going to stick up for it.
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Who speaks out of his ass?Me? Or the creepy-weird, mind control junkie who has nothing better to do than spend his life trying to manipulate others because he doesn't get laid.
I shouldn't have used that phrase earlier. Again I'm sorry. Now, however, it's true. Where did you see or hear me talk about manipulating people? Where did I say I don't get laid?
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Chill dude you don't have to be hypnotist to get a gf or a fuckbuddy or whatever.
I'm chill, in fact, I'm not even sure you can use hypnosis to get a girlfriend or fuckbuddy or whatever.
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Even if hypnosis does work-leave it to professionals and- don't f*** with brain or it can f*** you up
Absolutely. I'm just a wage away from being a professional. I'm qualified (although I don't trust the standards that's acceptable for a qualification - I'd like to think I've excelled beyond that). I wont work with a schizophrenic person, or someone with a mental illness until I get my psychology degree.

Anyhow, the brain is NOT that delicate when it comes to suggestions. Your body naturally tends towards health, keeping you breathing, clotting you blood when you cut yourself, keeping your body temperature regulated, allowing you to blink just in time for you to not get hit in the eye, and a whole lot more. Your mind will refuse to accept a suggestion that it does goes against it's well-being.


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I'm with Pinnochio on this. The mind is phenomenally powerful.

A little bit severe on the language, but well done for the change of tone and rephrasing of what you said. Takes a big man to do that.

Hypnosis is very good and much more useful that people think. Ever watched an advert or talked to a sales person? They both use certain "hypno phrases" or Suggestions. You don't need them, but they give an extra edge.

To people who talk about these things in a very strong "all knowing" way, have you ever heard the expression 'empty tins make the loudest noise'? It's very true!!!

To those gainfully studying the dark, deadly, ninja art, of super magical mind control.....get a life and grow up.

To those studying hypnosis and NLP, keep up the good work. It's all well worth it.

Look up something called 'The 8 word induction' really clever! Also the induction used on 'The Russian Scam' very very clever!!!

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Old thread resurrection I know - sorry, but I've just read an interesting book that added something important to this discussion.

Can people harm themselves or others when hypnotised?
There have been lots of experiments that say yes, they can. "I am placing a beaker in your hand that is full of nasty acid that will burn flesh away. Now throw it in the face of the recipient".

Acid is duly thrown in face of recipient.

Of course, acid is just coloured water.

The big problem is that no ethics committee will ever allow actual acid to be used and the subjects of the tests know this (perhaps only subconsciously).

The only report I've heard of where ethics weren't involved, there was a stage hypnotist who got a girl to start doing a strip tease. He very quickly stopped her when it was clear to him that she was going to go the full way. In a pause, several medical students decided to see how far she'd go and got her back under (she was susceptible at the time). They tested compliance to ensure that she was under then told her to continue the strip tease. She ran off.

Was this because she trusted the stage hypnotist not to make her go the whole way? Was it because the students didn't have her as well hypnotised? I don't think that was ever truly discovered.


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Hmm. I did a bit of stage hypnosis in the past. Couple of points I'd make from that experience. I've never been convinced by the "you can't make someone do something they wouldn't normally do" statement. For the 10% of people who are very suggestible (stage show level), then if you frame it correctly, then there is little you could not get them to do. For the 90% who only go under to a lesser degree - then fine I would agree.

In terms of danger... well who knows. But - being hypnotised to stage level is a bit like riding a bike. You never forget. Once you have been put 'under', your mind knows how to go there. This means the wife of the original poster will find it VERY easy to be hypnotised to that level from now on. And it will be easy for anyone at all (with just a basic knowledge and an appropriate environment) to put her right back there. And at that point - they can pretty much get her do whatever they want...

So for me, the reason NOT to volunteer at a show (or to let your g/f volunteer) is that it opens them up to hypersuggestibilty from that point forward, pretty much for ever. And I don't think that's a good thing...


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Lets put it this way:

Read all the replies, now analyze them some are saying it does, some are saying it can't and some are in between. The problem is science is always biased towards some issues like for example hypnosis, there may be so much material about them but there is never proper scientific study on it.

As for you answer think logically. As many are saying you can't make person go against their will and you said your wife get partially naked so was that embarrassing or harmful to you or her? Umm

or lets say a short tempered boxer was hypnotized but he really don't just hit random person in normal state, now he is hypnotized and made to think of stage as boxing ring and has to hit the people on stage now is it harmful for others and his mental state. I know it may seems far fetched but I hope you got some clarity.


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i would fuck your wife.

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If hypnotism works or doesnt work it really depends on the openness of the person in question.
If he tells you to relax and you cant relax you wont get hypnotised. Also if someone really doesnt want to do something he/she wont do it in a hypnotized state either. Meaning that if you are scared of hypnotism you probobly wont get hypnotized because you are resisting it.

However you can still get hypnotized but this is when the hypnotist is doing it without you knowing it. Hypnotism is very much like nlp everything is still your own choice we are just suggesting things and you decide if you go allong with it or not.

So yeah concluding from your fears of the potential dangers of hypnotism i can deduct that you are kind if scared of getting hypnotized and are blocking it out [un]willingly.

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negativities CAN occur in hypnotism but not stuff like getting stuck etc. Hypnotism is a great way of anchoring though. But as you know you dont have to be hypnotised for anchoring to work.
In the worst case i can imagine that the hypnotist could brings bad memories of your past to your mind which you had put away deep inside of yourself. [accidently]


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I can shed some light on this.

Everyone has different levels of receptivity when it comes to hypnosis. Your wife is probably very receptive to it... you may not be as receptive. If you are interested in hypnosis there are ways to induce less receptive people, however a stage or show hypnotist would not be using these, as they don't make for as much of a show. (longer induction period and a more shallow trance). Show hypnotists run basic tests to figure out the people in the audience who appear to be extremely hypnotically suggestible, because this makes for a good show. (quick inductions, with relatively deep trances.)

If you wish to be hypnotized I would recommend working with a hypnotherapist as they will be used to running longer inductions and dealing with less hypnotically receptive patients.

You can also work up your hypnotic suggestibility. One of the easiest ways to do this is some basic meditation. Meditation has a lot of similarities to hypnosis and as you become more and more used to getting yourself into meditative states, you will be more and more receptive to getting into hypnotic states as well.


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