Yo!!!
So for a few weeks ive been using speed seduction to see if it worked as well as SSers tell me it dose , and to see if the people who dont belive that it could work were right.

So this will be my opinion.

I think Speed Seduction works really well , ya it works. But I dont think it works as good as what Ross advertises. Like- getting women soaking themselves in minutes with patterns!!!

And I think tones of people are using patterns the wrong way and getting no results. Because people find these patterns and learn them line for line and use it as a script on women , and if you use it like that then it wont work.

Because for it to work she has to be involved and she has to accualy feel what you are describing to her!

So instead of saying a big paragraph of speach and leaning on words like - so when you really FEEL THAT , and get exited ...
And expect the embeded command - FEEL THAT to make her feel what you are describing , get them involved in the pattern.

I suggest that you find a pattern that you want to use , and paste it onto word or somthing and delete the long parts of the pattern and add some questions and SPAM to get her involved in what your saying.

So its not somthing your doing to her and somthing your doing with her.

Also instead of expecting embeded commands to make her feel connected or amazing make the patterns sound conversational instead of weird and get her involved by getting her to remember when she was really connected or amazing.


So theres my little rant hahah. So all in all YES Speed seduction works , but not as amazing as the add says it dose.

If your having trouble with SS , take the patterns your using , shorten them and get her involved!!

Amen to that brother! I have been studying NLP extensively and have a date tomorrow night where I intend on using it! My method is simple; I used MM to open a set and actually ended up going for the obstical (who was actually more attractive anyway) and used my own 'husband and wife routine' (check it out in the routine's section) and time constraints to get her number. My plan is to get to know what she really feels by using NLP now that we have built up an SMS rapport. I'm gonna write my own patterns and try to evoke all her senses and involve myself in this experience just as much as her, anchoring her at the critical point. Maybe I will fractionate but for me this is just a 1st attempt at really using NLP. I will let you know how I get on- check the FR or if it works really well the LR sections of the forum

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Awsome man , whether its SS or MM I think its great that guys go out and use this stuff instead of doing nothing

So true..I think 90% of people who study attraction, seduction, some type of school on how to pick up girls, game.. are keyboard jockeys. In other words, they don't go out and practice the stuff in the real world.

couldn't say it better myself. Personally, I stick with the natural approach when I see a girl, a smile, a look, a gentle conversational starter like, Hi, My name's... I think Ross Jeffries has a lot of good material, especially his newly released thing, the Seminar Vault. I actually returned his Speed Seduction 3.0, because I didn't like it, but, the vault thing, I'm plowing through it, and it is just chock full of information... it's killer.

The blurt-out, I've found to be very effective. I was just in Maine at a seminar for a job I was doing, the Seminar sucked, and left me with an entire day to kill at the end of each day. So, I'm traveling through Maine, then, I see a Best Buys, go in, check stuff out, think about buying a DVD player for my room so I can watch the movies I'm watching on my computer, and, when I leave, I see this beautiful girl walking in, an employee, coming back from Lunch, I say, "You know for a place called Best Buys, they don't really have the Best Buys," she looked at me quizzically, and I smiled at her--now, I weigh 260 pounds, and it's not muscle... she responded, "But, it's a job." I walked over to her since that seemed like an opening... I use basic patterns, like puncuation ambiguity, cause and effect, power words, pressups, things like that--none of those actual pattern patterns when I'm trying to pick them up.

In my opinion, there are a lot more to patterns than the lengthy hypnotic stories that is associated with Ross Jeffries. Once people understand that, they can just speak in a totally different way, for which will be both natural, and relatable, and hypnotic.

If someone can't screw in a screw because they're using the wrong end of the screwdriver, that's a statement about the user, not the tool.

Also, nothing in the entire world works as well as advertisers would have us believe. Are you disappointed there's no magic pill?

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The future exists first in the mind, then in the will, then in reality.

the problem is, Speed seduction is basically just NLP, but its given to you in a way that you don't get to really understand and learn NLP yourself, you're learning scripts which RJ has created through his own understanding of NLP. If you truly understand NLP yourself, you would be conversing "normally", as it would be your own natural way of speaking, and its not scripted. Thats my own take of it anyway, I'm going through Igor Ledochowski's Conversational Hypnosis Mastery DVDs, which is tonnes of material, but it is pretty much the holy grail of learning NLP. Once you've mastered that, learning seduction would be childs' play.

RJ also teaches how it works. He doesn't tell anyone to memorize. He says the patterns are just examples.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

Yeah maybe I was too harsh, but I still feel the amount and type of material he gives you, just isn't enough, and you need something which is just about NLP in general, not just with seduction in mind. Thats just what I found, and I'm sure others felt that as well, but of course, there will be people who could pick this up just by learning RJs which is great, but I don't learn things that easily