Hey
i don't really want to dig through cumbersome nlp books then have to apply what i've learnt to getting girls so i'm going to buy some products!
is anything by the wonderfully weird ross jeffries a good bet or is there specifically something you'd recomend to a beginner/ anything by anyone else. i would of course rather not pay an extortionate ammount, but i am willing to spend quite a lot if it is good
thanks in advance
gar

I started with "NLP for dummies" which is a good starter

I recommend Ross Jeffries Basic Homestudy Course because its for beginners and it teaches you a lot of NLP tools in a seduction context.

to what exent does nlp work? i mean i've started practicing anchoring and so on, so forth you know the basics! but.... could it theoretically get a person who actually dislikes you, to like you in a single shot?
oh i was on ross jeffries site, turns out basic homestudy course is free
starting to work my way thru that
thanks all

Speed Seduction (and all other schools of seduction) works.

I think that if you have absolutely nothing going for you at all (you're ugly, you're fat, you're poor) and you're too lazy to go to the gym or improve anything on the outside, then Speed Seduction is your best bet.

If all you want to do is pick up girls in coffee shops, grocery stores, libraries, shopping malls or other quieter venues and have no interest in picking up girls in loud environments, then use Speed Seduction.

If you have no interest at all in creating a social circle of friends and you just want to focus on cold approaching girls all day (because it is time consuming) then use Speed Seduction.

If you have no interest at all in being the center of attention and you just want to seduce women, then use Speed Seduction.

If you want to approach girls by themselves exclusively, then use Speed Seduction. It isn't impossible to use Speed Seduction with multiple girls at the same time, it is just easier to use other methods for that.

To put it simply, if all you care about is Fool's Mate game, then definitely Speed Seduction is the best technology for that because you are ignoring all the social dynamic aspects of the game and aiming straight for the woman's mind and imagination. It is the opposite of solid game, where you do more work but that work will increase your social value and how other people (besides her) will perceive you. With Speed Seduction, you are like a sniper and all you do is aim for headshots all day long. The head is a small target compared to the rest of the body, but if it is hit, then it is an instant kill.

Speed Seduction reframes your mind. Whereas, in Mystery Method, "solid game" was of utmost importance and for a short while, Mystery was advocating going "5 for 5" (100% close rate--which, not even Mystery can accomplish). To do this, you would have to do a lot of work. In Speed Seduction, Ross Jeffries tells you, "Why go through all that work?? If she's not passing our tests, then we'll know that we can move on and try someone else, all within the first 2 minutes of talking."

To understand the impact that Speed Seduction has, go to fastseduction.com and search for a post by baddog entitled "How Speed Seduction and NLP have helped my game" (it is in the PUA archive). In summary, he was a PUA skilled in Mystery Method, David D., and Swingcatt's stuff who could successfully hook, drive BT spike through the roof, kino, etc. He was isolating a lot of chicks but not successfully seducing them. He was facing a lot of Last Minute Resistance and Anti Slut Defense. Then, enter Speed Seduction, and suddenly it all worked for him. To really get a feel for that, go read that post. At the end of the article, he writes:

"SS is so basic that I think all AFC's should start with it, and then proceed to the other methods that derive from it. It is bedrock, and it will reframe the world for even an advanced PUA who has not been exposed to it directly. It certainly reframed mine."

To answer your question about getting someone to like you in a single shot, you have to have rapport first. So, if the other person was not willing to pay attention to anything you said, then it won't work. But, if they were willing to pay attention and follow along, not necessarily like you, then it could work.

thats a rather bleak view of S.S isnt it?? can't be that bad surely. i've read some stuff that Jeffries has said though and he is a disgusting human being fair play to him!

You can start learning SS for free here: http://www.speedseductionfree.com/

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

I never said S.S. is bad. In fact, S.S. is quite effective, but has its limitations (which I have mentioned).

That post above was my view of S.S. Vince Kelvin has been known to be able to use S.S. in loud environments.

I use it a lot, it works great! I can get girls to give me the doggy dinner bowl look, I can repeat back their trance words, I can anchor myself as a positive experience to them, I can get them to verbally ratify that they are having a good time with me, I can use the embedded commands in the right tonality. I have used the signal recognition technique where you get a woman to trace feelings through her body, give it a color and a shape, put this energy in my hand, have her pay attention to the feeling while looking at my hand, have her rate how good it feels on a scale of 1-10 as I move my hand closer and closer to her body. I've told the voodoo dildo SS joke in a bar, I've used the "Who's Not Get Any" pattern in clubs (works great). I've used Discovery Channel, Incredible Connection, Gemini, Love vs. Attraction patterns several times. I've used put-ons and direct openers. I even used one of in10se's patterns about a red rose a lot. I've used the concept of fractionation where you use a pattern, then change the subject or go somewhere else or focus you and her's attention outwardly, then use a different pattern. I have not been able to fractionate then use her trance words in the next sequence of patterns yet, I tend to forget them.

To someone on the outside, when you see me talking to a girl using these skills, it looks like I am getting a lot of indicators of interest. If I were using Mystery Method, I would go into qualification phase within the first 5 minutes of talking because I'm getting way more than 3 IOIs in that timeframe. This is why Ross Jeffries does not even count IOIs; he says that it will be so freakin' obvious that the girl is into you that counting IOIs won't even matter-and he's right, I've experienced this numerous times. The girl seems to have a REALLY good time with me, it is SO obvious that she's into me, she'll touch me, she'll go into a light trance, her eyes will be fixated on me, her friends will leave and she'll stay there and talk to me, etc. And, this all happens SO SO fast. Effectively, on the M3 model, Speed Seduction will take you from A1 to C3 quickly if you are challenging her with frames and making it seem like you are screening her.

But, what Speed Seduction will fail to address is logistics...what are you supposed to do after you get her in this awesome emotional state?? Ross Jeffries really never addresses that issue completely. When he does, it is pretty vague, his advice would be like, "Well, just take her somewhere and bang her"--how exactly?? Is there something you say or do?

To this day, I have NO idea what I'm supposed to after I get her in this high emotional state. My current method is to just get her phone number and take her on a day2 and that is when I usually close her fully. Ross Jeffries WILL give you things to say on voice mails and what your goal is when you talk to her on the phone.

[quote="clockw0rk"I can anchor myself as a positive experience to them, I can get them to verbally ratify that they are having a good time with me, I can use the embedded commands in the right tonality. I have used the signal recognition technique where you get a woman to trace feelings through her body, give it a color and a shape, put this energy in my hand, have her pay attention to the feeling while looking at my hand, have her rate how good it feels on a scale of 1-10 as I move my hand closer and closer to her body. I've told the voodoo dildo SS joke in a bar, I've used the "Who's Not Get Any" pattern in clubs (works great). I've used Discovery Channel, Incredible Connection, Gemini, Love vs. Attraction patterns several times. .[/quote]

Wow... Either you talk a lot of shit or I gotta whole lot of practicing to do!

One question: do you find the same affectiveness on Day 2 or has the triggers lost some of their "magic"?

Kudos to your ninja like skills...Good Luck in the field!

I use my voice tonality as an anchor (not the touch anchors). Whenever I shift my voice to a hypnotic tonality, then I am about to do something. The trigger won't lose its magic if you set the anchor at the highest point of her feeling that emotional state. You can intensify the state by saying things like, "and the more and more you feel that (state) the more powerful it becomes.." or by getting her to give it a color or by changing voice loudness (bigger bigGER and BIGGER still) or by gestures (you start low, and increasingly raise your hand) or a combination of those techniques to amplify the state.

The thing about anchors is that Ross Jeffries won't use anchors for a lot of the newer Speed Seduction stuff. Like, for example, with the seduction question that deals with asking her where she would like to go the most and then having her imagine you and her together on that vacation and asking what she sees/hears/feels and what y'all are about to do next--there's no need to anchor that because you are there with her in her head.

Also, just the fact that you are talking to her and she's feeling these states..your presence alone is an anchor. In other words, there is really no need to focus on setting an anchor. Setting anchors was more popular in the old version of Speed Seduction by saying something like, "Can you feel THAT (pause, touch her to set anchor), would be something worth experiencing?" It is ambiguous, can I feel him touching my arm or can I feel that experience he just described??? I'd focus more on having the right tonality rather than anchoring-that's real important.

Another thing that Speed Seduction will fail to address is kino escalation. I could be wrong, maybe in one of RJ's products he talks about it. But, I had to learn how to kino escalate on my own when I was out on day 2s. This is why a lot of people in the community will say that Speed Seduction isn't a complete system. It is the absolute best for addressing the emotional progression--I mean, no other PUA material comes close in that realm--maybe IN10SE's products but that is because he basically repackages Ross's stuff. You WILL get an emotional connection REALLY fast with Speed Seduction and it will be predictable and repeatable! But, it does not address logistical progression at all or physical progression--which are the other 2 key ingredients according to the Love Systems Triad. Remember, emotional progression without physical progression = Let's Just Be Friends. The phone game section of Speed Seduction is very simple and basic-which, I think is actually a good thing..why over complicate that? Just try and get her to meet you!