I have an update for you.

NLP won't generate genuine love or attraction. It'll generate surface feelings, not lasting ones.

You, and your actions and YOU will cause the lasting feelings. I see guys blow it all the time trying to run NLP routines on girls. Personally, I feel that memorizing all that garbage is a waste. However, if it really works for you then go for it.


Regards,
David

I disagree. I can't speak for such a subjective term as love, but attraction can certainly be generated by the use of NLP in seduction.

Let me give you a very simple example. But first, I don't know if you could just imagine a time where you saw a hot girl walk down the street. When was this...last week? Last month? Perhaps you saw her slender body and realised how that can make you feel really horny, like that sudden rush you feel through your stomach as you read these words and hear her steps approach you. You know the really beautiful type you just wanna sarge. What number would you give her?

Just by making you recall that experience, softened with a weasel phrase and hit under the radar, you are automatically experiencing feelings of attraction. We can't understand something without feeling it ourselves, which is why when watching a scary movie for instance, people's body language will be scared, or when watching a love story their hands will be clasped etc.

Furthermore, lasting feelings can be created. For instance there is one girl who I ran a pretty intense signal recognition pattern on when we first met at my work place. We rarely see each other anymore but she's always texting me. I don't even know anything about her. This is months after I met her.

So yeah, perhaps you should field-test the info before judging it, although there is merit in what you say - using NLP is not for everyone and you can't just spew out memorised material. You have to use it right, time it right, deliver it right.

Hehe, I like this sort of ideas.
That somehow feelings are more "real" if they are created through lots of time of trial and error...

Let me ask the question;
If your body is allowed, by your mind, through a carefully or spontaneously created pattern, which involves the words and sentences that lets you drift into your imagination, to experience, right now, exactly the same things that others would use months to do, does that mean the experience is less "real" ?


Especially considering how it makes absolutely no difference, to your unconscious, whether you have imagined, in great detail, or whether you have experienced it in the shared reality.

Consider also;
Does having a Phobia cured (for ever) through a guided trance-like state, in 20 minutes or less, mean less than if you struggle with the phobia for 12 years until you finally, on your own, reach the last straw, and get rid of the phobia on your own ?


The only thing NLP does is allow you to speed up the process, and maintain a bit of control over which experiences start up and continue to run.
Rather than leaving all to chance.





One last question... "What is Real?"
I'd like to know the criteria you have for deciding what equals "Real".

(And can't something "not real" affect deeper, in some cases, than something "real" ?)


Cheers.

My original post was meant to go under a prior topic. Oops.

First off, great posts here. I can see there are some very intelligent and educated men.

I can agree that NLP could give more control over an interaction in terms of leading with linguistics. However, the facade would wear off after awhile for men who use NLP as their crutch. When I talk about "real attraction", the easiest way I can put it is attraction that isn't dependent on what you say. It's the sort of attraction that hits you deep in the heart. Take that one however you'd like.

I use some NLP with myself for business, personal development, and habit transformation. Using NLP to pick up women seems a bit pish posh to me however.

David

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Yeah, mostly I'm of the same opinion. I think NLP is better used to enhance one's game than drive it from the core. However many practiced Speed Seducers do use it in this way and are often very successful.
If there is real attraction, then what is 'fake' attraction - surely all forms of attraction are 'real'? We're in grey territory. Nonetheless I'll entertain the thought. The way you define it is somewhat troubling, because if it is not dependent upon what you say, that leaves us very little as pickup artists to control and create attraction between us and our girls. That's what pickup is all about - creating attraction. It's true that 93% of communication is non-verbal, here is a point in your favour. Though NLP isn't all verbal, for example the concepts of rapport, anchors and pacing & leading.

I do know what you mean though. For instance when you just look at a girl and are attracted. Furthermore I got attracted to a rather ugly girl the other day, out of 10 she was a 3. I have no idea why, never happened to me before. Don't know why, she was just really humble yet confident too. I didn't sarge her, I wasn't that attracted. This sort of deep attraction may be referred to as limerant, if you're talking psychologically, but limerance is pretty damn deep. It's intense love, Robert Green esque seduction.

There is a HB8 who sits next to me in psychology lectures (used to sit next to a friend of mine, that's how I met her). I never really talked to her. I only ever did three noticeable things to her.

1. I prolonged eye contact when I said hi for the first time.
2. I complimented her outright on her fringe.
3. I pushed my chair back so she couldn't get through one day.

All in all I probably only said a couple of sentences to her, and by god she's limerant now. This deep level attraction was certainly not caused primarily by my words.

I do believe that NLP can accelerate this process though, as Wolf suggested. I don't think that's the primary or principle role of NLP, but it's definately an important point. Sometimes long-winded patterns just prolong the process, other times eliciting and creating states and conversational hypnosis makes her attracted and breaks down bitch shields much faster than having to pass a lot of shit tests and girl coding.
Each unto his own. I do agree that NLP applied to women is a big jump considering its original invention (invention or discovery? Debatable), however there are many skilled seducers who use NLP as a core component of their success, so I don't think it's plausable to deny its uses.

One just has to evade the commercialized parts, tabooed and misunderstood parts, of which there are much and many in the community.

Hehe, yeah, I get it.
Purely NLP-based game seems a bit weird.
Personally I think of NLP as another Tool I can use, not as something to base my game upon.

I find great use for it when it gets really intimate, and when I have LTR or FBs. But I don't use it outwards in Game, just for internal states that are most effective.


But here's a thing.
A Major part of NLP consists of Modeling.

So the first thing that struck me with NLP is; Why not Model the Natural mindset ?



Then use NLP as another way of having fun with people.
Like some mind-read stuff etc.


Personally I don't think that basing all ones game on SS or MM or any particular style/method is good.
SS is for Ross, Mystery Method is for Mystery, etc.

I think everybody should develop their own Method or Style.
Adapt stuff from others and keep what works and throw away that which doesn't aid you.
Since Game seems ultimately to be about communicating yourself and your personality in a comfortable way, it seems self evident you should have to evolve your own game.


But yeah, Using NLP as your only tool/crutch, you'll soon probably find it falling a bit short.

I repeat myself, NLP is a useful Tool, but it's not a personality.
and what you seem to need for good Game, is an attractive personality, not just a few interesting party-tricks.

I think the idea is to model a good inner game, through long way experiences or shortcuts with stuff like NLP.
When the Inner Game is solid, it doesn't really matter if you use SS or run indirect game, direct game, regardless.. you will attract beautiful women



I think I lost the thread somewhere along the lines, but hey

Using NLP for pick-up is a bit odd, but if that's how you do it, then that will work.
It can be much quicker than most other ways,
haha; Unconscious Direct Game and Conscious Indirect


I'll stop rambling
Cheers

Well said Big Bad Wolf. You explained it in a way I didn't. :p

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Haha, yeah, with more words and just the same amount of meaning


I need to chop down on this stuff.
Use more precise wording and get the message through.
More with less, sort of stuff