I feel like clearing an issue which has been nagging me:
NLP is not only about seduction.


NLP is not a model for seduction, but more of a method for easily understanding and eliciting emotional states or mental states and capacities, a set of immensely effective communication tools, if you will.

Here's my breakdown of it:

at the inner level it involves teachings from general semantics; "The Map is not The Territory", a field created by Alfred Korzybski.

while in action NLP is more a model of the work of the most efficient therapists and hypnotists (Satir, Erickson and Bateson, if I remember correctly).
to help anybody using it consciously choose the most efficient and, naturally, easy ways of leading the person, with whom they are speaking, into the appropriate emotional states for whatever goal you have, (originally a way of therapy which revolutionized the whole way of aiding people get over phobias etc, something which through NLP may take only a few minutes.)

So; yes, in a way it can be called manipulating a person into feeling things they would not naturally feel (whatever the fuck that means) by learning how to create those feelings through conscious learning, rather than unconscious trial and error. (Like a Shortcut, yes)



Speed Seduction is the part which deals with using a combination of NLP and hypnosis to efficiently elicit states which helps seduction.
(Like guiding a woman to feel comfortable with you, aroused whenever you touch her knee or say a certain word, or other helpful emotional states)



I just had to clear the issue,
though I realize I may seem to be of an extremely pedantic nature.
Hope you dig.
Cheers

I love when people post things just to show how little they really know. I don't where to begin.

while in action NLP is more a model of the work of the most efficient therapists and hypnotists (Satir, Erickson and Bateson, if I remember correctly).
I guess Fritz Perls gets no love here.

You realize that Speed Seduction takes components of NLP, eliciting states and anchoring, in an effort to create those states in women? Also, eliciting states is essential for inner-game. To teach the full NLP model to someone who wishes to learn SS is asinine, however, one schooled in NLP will have no problem with SS as well as helping other PUAs. I guess I just don't get the point of your post, what are you attempting to clarify?

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I had an itch; as it seemed to me to be a few people out here who equated NLP with seduction, something I don't support;
It's my view that NLP is more of a tool to help people efficiently lead people towards a desired goal. (as in therapy might be for the people to, I don't know, get the fuck over the problem.)

I knew I'd forgotten someone, yes, thanks.^^
Perls never got as much attention as Milton Erickson and Virginia Satir in my mind...
I'd apologize, but, I don't think it'd contribute in a right direction.

here's an item; "...how little they really know..." ?
I admit I don't know everything, but I'd rather you didn't sound insulting.
Whatever I speak up about in the field of NLP is based upon what impression I'm left with after listening to and reading stuff by Richard Bandler, who I consider to be the source of NLP, (and if you're going to learn about something why not head directly to the Creator?)


I think people would benefit from learning the NLP approach to emotions and desires, as that may help people clarify that these states are created and with the right tools easily controllable, not some god-given thingumajigs writ in stone.

Emotions are illusions, Folie à deux, a cleverly written screenplay, poetry, fiction, an interpretation of what a certain combination of chemistry "means".
It's chemistry, basically. Chemistry and neural imprints.
Learned behavior.
Social Imprints.
I'm pushing it, I know, but I want people to chew this, think about the implications. You feel what you've taught yourself to feel.
The color Red is only "Red" because you've been taught, hypnotized that this is the universal label for that certain wavelength of photons (which can proven to travel as both particles and waves in the same experiment, depending on whether you observe them or not. Quantum physics is akin to mysticism.).

Lust is a behavior to benefit your genes, if a woman has an orgasm at the same time as you the odds of conception more than doubles, thus the desire for a woman to orgasm during intercourse is easily explainable.


Reality is an illusion, even Einstein realized this; "Reality is only an illusion, albeit a rather persistent one."
Your world is just that, an internal representation of the external noise, to make a map that you can use to efficiently maneuver yourself towards what is good for your survival and away from what is not good.
And You're always altering the map to fit your current situation.

I probably should rather have pointed people towards General Semantics. People: read Science and Sanity, by Korzybski


But back to the point; I've had the impression that some people, among those some of my personal friends from "real" life have the impression that NLP was something that sprouted from Venusian Arts, or the PUA-lifestyle. Which it is not.
And so, as I read the headline "should I start nlp now, or get better with mm first", I figured it'd not be a complete waste to elucidate the subject.


And yes, I also mentioned that SS takes components of NLP + Hypnosis.
This is why it is so effective, but.... this is also the reason NLP some times has been equated with RJ and his bunch.
It's more like branch that applies NLP to the noble goal of their genes' procreation and survival...


There was no ultimate goal with the post except to clarify the border that NLP is not something you will only use for seducing women, getting laid, or whatever, but it can help you get and understanding for how the vessel you're currently inhabiting works.
And that is all, you're an animal, your body is trained to do certain things with its chemistry to lead you in certain directions, and knowing this you can actually change whatever behavior that is not desirable, and also integrate behavior that is more beneficial to you.

once again; Reality is only an idea, and illusion.
Your mind is unable to separate elaborate dreams and fantasies from the "real" thing.


I would like to see a debate about people's interpretation of Reality, and I figured this could start us off in a proper direction.
Oh, and hey, I understand if you have allergies towards long posts, and was unable to read and keep an even level of interest through the whole thing.

Big Bad Wolf I agree this board seems to miss the intent of NLP most of the time. My complaint would be that most see the trees and not the forest.

I find it humorous how the PUA's argue who created what technique or method when I have yet to find anything Bandler hadn't originated. I thought Style's false time constraint was original until I got an old La Velle Bandler tape that discussed this topic before 2000.

While I think the PUA community has done a good job of applying Bandler's work and scripting it for seduction no PUA has his scope or attitude. In addition sometimes scripts don't work.

I would also say that MILTON is the main model for NLP and Satir and Fritz just put him into context. But NLP modeling by Bandler is the catalyst that started everything. I am sure others have had Milton's abilities Rasputin comes to mind but it was Bandler that captured the genius.

By the way some very good patterns can come from describing Rasputins life. Read a biography if you think NLP, Magic, Huna or whatever hasn't been used by others in the past.

I don't really care how it came about... It's nice to know, though. I just love to use it Now that I'm aware that things like this can happen, and how to apply them, it's made my life my easier.

I love making the seemingly tranquil girls turn into wild, love tigresses. It's so amusing for me to see them go against what they believed about themselves. Reality is Plastic.