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Cavemen didn't link sex with childbirth (they take place 9 months apart afterall), so they had no reason to be possessive of their mates. And since cavemen lived in nomadic social groups, women usually had sex with everyone in the group. That means you are genetically "programmed" not to mind if your wife/girlfriend/mate has sex with all your friends and male family members. You are also genetically predisposed to incest because it's impossible to track who conceived which child.
It bothers me that just about everyone thinks they're qualified to talk about cavemen, even though they know next to nothing about them.

I'd like it if you posted any sort of evidence to back up these claims, because I find it hard to believe that there was no mating competition among paleolithic humans.

The fact that PUA techniques work all over the world, no matter what culture, suggests that they are rooted in biology, and that certain traits are more attractive than others, and I'd find it odd if cavemen showed no selection bias based on this.

While it's hard to know exactly how paleolithic life was, there is a lot of evidence pointing towards humans being serial monogamists, and therefor possessive of their mates. The biggest evidence for serial monogamy is probably love, which lasts an average of two years and makes the person very attached to his mate, together with the fact that women prefer men who display characteristics of good fatherhood for long term relationships. ( http://books.google.no/books?id=3u6JNwM ... on&f=false http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/su ... 589095_ITM ) This suggests that men have an important role in raising a child. Just about every modern hunter-gatherer society has some form of sexual partnership. Kalahari Bushmen even have marriage: http://books.google.no/books?id=49LL8Na ... ge&f=false

The same with the Masaii (though the masaii have turned into an agricultural society now, the institution of marriage goes way back before that time):
http://www.maasaieducation.org/maasai-c ... remony.htm

I'd go on, but I really don't want to derail further. This isn't an attack on you btw, I just very often see the "this is how cavemen lived" thing posted without any backing from evidence. Read more about "pop-darwinism" here:

http://www.alternet.org/sex/104149/cave ... es/?page=1
Gee, I guess I wasted 15 credit hours of Anthropology and Behavioral Psych. How silly of me. If you're going to deconstruct what I said, at least make counter points for what I laid out. I find it unlikely that a culture which didn't have the mouth and throat structures necessary for organized speech could produce an insubstantial concept like "love", which cannot be defined without language. Mate selection usually just means the first reproductively healthy female the healthy male comes across. Pair bonding is an eccentric exception to the natural rule. Bushmen and aboriginal cultures are still modern man, not cavemen, who are typified by cro-magnon man and neanderthal man. Modern apes are more similar to cavmen. Anyway, this isn't the place for academic dick measuring, but since you called me out and I have a problem with pride...

I totally agree that AFC Adam is a salesman. Unless someone can give a specific example of how he pissed in their cheerios, just saying he's a fraud doesn't devalue him. He's a motivational speaker and a good salesman.


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ack, sorry, I though cavemen referred to all humans that lived in the paleolithic and neolithic ages, so nevermind that rant. My mistake. I still assume that Trixsta was talking about Homo Sapiens too, though, since it wouldn't make sense to compare us to a different species.

The reason I mistook you for someone "unqualified" is that your post seemed very assumptive to me. You claim that childbirth took "place 9 months apart", when as far as I'm aware, the gestation time for neanderthals i unknown, and Trinkaus even hypothesized it may have been 12 months. http://books.google.no/books?id=qjw9AAA ... on&f=false

How is it known that women had sex with everyone in the group? How is it known that no-one became jealous? If you were taught these things in Anthro. then I'll accept that it has been properly documented, and apologize.


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Honoustly, no one gives a shit about what Adam did or didn't do. Go waste your life trying to figure out the black pages of his diary or just give credits for the guy who's helped so many people. Dispite him marketing his products and services, we've gotten ALOT of free information aswell.
If you're good at something and you can make a living out of it...who wouldn't do that? Like saying, hey Tony Hawk, thanks for all the tricks you've learned people and all the motivation in getting better you gave us, but fuck off trying to get our money with awesome games that have your name on them.

Let him motivate people like he does, even if this includes having done things that may or may not be true.

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Why would cavemen be jealous, really? Sexual possession is a human concept, even animals that are pair bonded or "monogamous" still have sex with other mates, just not enough to offset the offspring the primary mate creates. Animals just don't associate sex with producing offspring, so there's no reason to be sexually selfish. No idea how long caveman gestation took, even if it was only a month, cavemen still wouldn't be able to put two and two together unless it happened immediately.

Something just occurred to me. If PUA's are such masters of seduction, why don't they ever date celebrities, who are considered the pinnacle of human desirability? It's not just because they don't run in the same circles, because Style had several shots in The Game, but had excuses for each one. It's kind of suspicious that he didn't end up with Britney Spears for a little bit. I mean, there's no better validation and marketing than celebrity endorsement, right?


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Cavemen didn't link sex with childbirth (they take place 9 months apart afterall), so they had no reason to be possessive of their mates. And since cavemen lived in nomadic social groups, women usually had sex with everyone in the group. That means you are genetically "programmed" not to mind if your wife/girlfriend/mate has sex with all your friends and male family members. You are also genetically predisposed to incest because it's impossible to track who conceived which child.
It bothers me that just about everyone thinks they're qualified to talk about cavemen, even though they know next to nothing about them.

I'd like it if you posted any sort of evidence to back up these claims, because I find it hard to believe that there was no mating competition among paleolithic humans.

The fact that PUA techniques work all over the world, no matter what culture, suggests that they are rooted in biology, and that certain traits are more attractive than others, and I'd find it odd if cavemen showed no selection bias based on this.

While it's hard to know exactly how paleolithic life was, there is a lot of evidence pointing towards humans being serial monogamists, and therefor possessive of their mates. The biggest evidence for serial monogamy is probably love, which lasts an average of two years and makes the person very attached to his mate, together with the fact that women prefer men who display characteristics of good fatherhood for long term relationships. ( http://books.google.no/books?id=3u6JNwM ... on&f=false http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/su ... 589095_ITM ) This suggests that men have an important role in raising a child. Just about every modern hunter-gatherer society has some form of sexual partnership. Kalahari Bushmen even have marriage: http://books.google.no/books?id=49LL8Na ... ge&f=false

The same with the Masaii (though the masaii have turned into an agricultural society now, the institution of marriage goes way back before that time):
http://www.maasaieducation.org/maasai-c ... remony.htm

I'd go on, but I really don't want to derail further. This isn't an attack on you btw, I just very often see the "this is how cavemen lived" thing posted without any backing from evidence. Read more about "pop-darwinism" here:

http://www.alternet.org/sex/104149/cave ... es/?page=1
Gee, I guess I wasted 15 credit hours of Anthropology and Behavioral Psych. How silly of me. If you're going to deconstruct what I said, at least make counter points for what I laid out. I find it unlikely that a culture which didn't have the mouth and throat structures necessary for organized speech could produce an insubstantial concept like "love", which cannot be defined without language. Mate selection usually just means the first reproductively healthy female the healthy male comes across. Pair bonding is an eccentric exception to the natural rule. Bushmen and aboriginal cultures are still modern man, not cavemen, who are typified by cro-magnon man and neanderthal man. Modern apes are more similar to cavmen. Anyway, this isn't the place for academic dick measuring, but since you called me out and I have a problem with pride...

I totally agree that AFC Adam is a salesman. Unless someone can give a specific example of how he pissed in their cheerios, just saying he's a fraud doesn't devalue him. He's a motivational speaker and a good salesman.
Hi! I agree with some of your points but I just want to make some corrections.

1. Cro-magnon man is 100% modern man (i.e. Homo sapiens sapiens). The name comes from a small village in France where the fossils were originally found. Neandertals (as well as Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and pre-modern Homo sapiens) would be what people call "cave-men".

2. There is consensus among scientific circles that pre-modern human males were very possessive of their mates. This trait is seen in almost every group of apes as well as old-world monkeys. Some notable exceptions are Orangutans and Bonobo Chimps, but Chimpanzees (polygamous), Gorillas (polygamous), Gibbons (monogamous), Baboons (polygamous) are all very protective and possessive of females in their troop or band.

Personally, I think that trying to "prove" PUA with evolutionary arguments is bullshit. 99% of people's problem is almost always inner game: confidence, approach anxiety, etc. Don't tell me we're biologically predetermined to not be confident or to be terrified of approaching women. That's just silly.


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Well, humans share 99% of genetic material with chimps, so it's theorized that we share a common ancestor. Sounds like you know your stuff. And seconded, PUA doesn't really have much to do with anthro.


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Man gives you a number of women he slept with devide it by 3. Master Pua in a business gives you a number devide by 100...1000


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I think the author of this thread has a really valid point.
It doesnt matter to people who know how to get women how many women AFC adam has been with.
But it should matter to people who have are getting into "pickup" coming on to the forums for the fist time, reading every bit of crap that is thrust at them, and told that someone like AFC adam can get any girl he pleases.

I have read his diary and i have joined his website. I saw absolutely nothing that would show me that he had real "game"
He says stuff that SHOULD make sense, but in practicality just wouldnt work.

AFC adam works with one of the biggest marketting companies in pick up, he was employed because he is a good public speaker.
His whole game was based around him providing guestlist to the hottest club in London.
He married a hot girl, from TEXAS.
I have been to texas and if you are English you only have to open your mouth to get a hot woman.

The sooner the mythys of so called gurus gets broken down, the faster we can all enjoy this for what it is, FUN, not an excuse to make money out of desperate men


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Who gives a fuck. This guy knows he can get any chick he wants but he values quality over quantity more. Hes just picky and wont sleep with any chick he can get. A man who is hard to get is far more attractive than a man who falls for a girls every move. Why do people put such a big emphasis nowadays on getting Cuban Cigars? Ill tell you why, because their so hard to get. Like the guy who sleeps with a couple of girls but attracts plenty more. This guy is very attractive. Think about it why are we not attracted to the nicwe goody two shoe girl and are obsessing over the girl who treats us like shit? Attraction, thats why. Typically were more attracted to what we cant get than what we can.

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It bothers me that just about everyone thinks they're qualified to talk about cavemen, even though they know next to nothing about them.

I'd like it if you posted any sort of evidence to back up these claims, because I find it hard to believe that there was no mating competition among paleolithic humans.

The fact that PUA techniques work all over the world, no matter what culture, suggests that they are rooted in biology, and that certain traits are more attractive than others, and I'd find it odd if cavemen showed no selection bias based on this.

While it's hard to know exactly how paleolithic life was, there is a lot of evidence pointing towards humans being serial monogamists, and therefor possessive of their mates. The biggest evidence for serial monogamy is probably love, which lasts an average of two years and makes the person very attached to his mate, together with the fact that women prefer men who display characteristics of good fatherhood for long term relationships. ( http://books.google.no/books?id=3u6JNwM ... on&f=false http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/su ... 589095_ITM ) This suggests that men have an important role in raising a child. Just about every modern hunter-gatherer society has some form of sexual partnership. Kalahari Bushmen even have marriage: http://books.google.no/books?id=49LL8Na ... ge&f=false

The same with the Masaii (though the masaii have turned into an agricultural society now, the institution of marriage goes way back before that time):
http://www.maasaieducation.org/maasai-c ... remony.htm

I'd go on, but I really don't want to derail further. This isn't an attack on you btw, I just very often see the "this is how cavemen lived" thing posted without any backing from evidence. Read more about "pop-darwinism" here:

http://www.alternet.org/sex/104149/cave ... es/?page=1
Gee, I guess I wasted 15 credit hours of Anthropology and Behavioral Psych. How silly of me. If you're going to deconstruct what I said, at least make counter points for what I laid out. I find it unlikely that a culture which didn't have the mouth and throat structures necessary for organized speech could produce an insubstantial concept like "love", which cannot be defined without language. Mate selection usually just means the first reproductively healthy female the healthy male comes across. Pair bonding is an eccentric exception to the natural rule. Bushmen and aboriginal cultures are still modern man, not cavemen, who are typified by cro-magnon man and neanderthal man. Modern apes are more similar to cavmen. Anyway, this isn't the place for academic dick measuring, but since you called me out and I have a problem with pride...

I totally agree that AFC Adam is a salesman. Unless someone can give a specific example of how he pissed in their cheerios, just saying he's a fraud doesn't devalue him. He's a motivational speaker and a good salesman.
Hi! I agree with some of your points but I just want to make some corrections.

1. Cro-magnon man is 100% modern man (i.e. Homo sapiens sapiens). The name comes from a small village in France where the fossils were originally found. Neandertals (as well as Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and pre-modern Homo sapiens) would be what people call "cave-men".

2. There is consensus among scientific circles that pre-modern human males were very possessive of their mates. This trait is seen in almost every group of apes as well as old-world monkeys. Some notable exceptions are Orangutans and Bonobo Chimps, but Chimpanzees (polygamous), Gorillas (polygamous), Gibbons (monogamous), Baboons (polygamous) are all very protective and possessive of females in their troop or band.

Personally, I think that trying to "prove" PUA with evolutionary arguments is bullshit. 99% of people's problem is almost always inner game: confidence, approach anxiety, etc. Don't tell me we're biologically predetermined to not be confident or to be terrified of approaching women. That's just silly.
not getting involved...just the relevant link from stanford. make up your own mind.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-evolutionary/

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"First, the ‘evolution’ treated by evolutionary game theory need not be biological evolution. ‘Evolution’ may, in this context, often be understood as cultural evolution, where this refers to changes in beliefs and norms over time."

So glad I stopped at undergrad. I think you should've just offered your two cents, because I can't make anything out of this link. Totally esoteric.


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"First, the ‘evolution’ treated by evolutionary game theory need not be biological evolution. ‘Evolution’ may, in this context, often be understood as cultural evolution, where this refers to changes in beliefs and norms over time."

So glad I stopped at undergrad. I think you should've just offered your two cents, because I can't make anything out of this link. Totally esoteric.
evolutionary game theory is biology. It was written and theorized for biological systems(though admittedly is most applied to economics). It says so in the first paragraph of the paper.What is your undergrad in?

As for the paper it refers to the mathematical formalism of competing genes in an open system.

no offense but are you a creationist?


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Didn't anyone ever teach you that if you start a sentence with "no offense" you're better off not finishing it? I already admitted that I have no idea what your essay is about, it was not written for the uninitiated. I'm more of a practical knowledge kind of guy. How does that make me a creationist? I doubt anybody gets your joke.

Must be real lonely at the intellectual top. To be personal, do you have a hard time finding attractive women to relate to; women you can respect? They're plentiful here in modest intelligence bracket. It just sounds like you're showing off, the way you casually put it out there so we can "make up [our] own mind". No offense, but are you a social alien? Know your audience.

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Didn't anyone ever teach you that if you start a sentence with "no offense" you're better off not finishing it? I already admitted that I have no idea what your essay is about, it was not written for the uninitiated. I'm more of a practical knowledge kind of guy. How does that make me a creationist? I doubt anybody gets your joke.

Must be real lonely at the intellectual top. To be personal, do you have a hard time finding attractive women to relate to; women you can respect? They're plentiful here in modest intelligence bracket. It just sounds like you're showing off, the way you casually put it out there so we can "make up [our] own mind". No offense, but are you a social alien? Know your audience.

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lol. ok guy. I'm not gonna hijack this thread. I really meant no offense I just think that a 15 hours of anthropology(which could be anything from cavemen to the peace movement of the 1960s) does not make you qualified to make such a fuss. You can totally hijack my other thread. we can "have it out" there. if you want.

AFCadam BTW was in my lair for a while. good guy. great game.

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hey guys
havnt read all the responses but just from the first part im gonna give my input

who cares how many he has slept with? is that really a big factor? the point is that he has good social proof and when you have that sometimes its best to not fuck it up by f-closing every single girl you know (been there with a group of girls never turns out good), and also the better you get the pickier you are with girls, iv noticed that just in myself but many guys i have taught in the past and even now.

and guys last of all, he is a teacher. can you really complain when he comes up with the worlds best, smartest, social and natural advice of our time? basically, who fucking cares if you wanna go out and try and beat him go for it but just remember if you do beat him you most likely took advice that he has posted or watched his videos

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