Isn't it kind of situational. I mean some girls are going to think you're too forward if you're touching them after five minutes, others don't.


So, it's pretty much whatever is appropriate at the time.

You're overthinking and make the above sound robotic. Titan's right - when your game is natural - when you've done it SO much it's second nature - you don't THINK about kino escelation/Was that an IOI/Caveman now?/Which joke? What opener do I use?/How do I isloate?..... ALL of that shit just happens.

To anyone honest enough to admit they truly need help - read EVERYTHING you can on being a PUA. Read every single document, paper, book, magazine, article... Read them all. Shitcan the information you don't agree with, or is just NOT your personality type. Learn from everyone and master your own game.

Always look at the big picture. If you find yourself defending another PUA's "methods"... stop - you're being a groupie. Make your own style.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

That's my point, I'm not a groupie. I've never read any PUA material - I starded to read 60 years of challenge- I've posted here many many many times that people care too much about the thing you mentioned " which opener am I going to use, how am I going to approach... etc" and it's the same with kino escalation, most guys think "I'm going to touch her elboy because I want to kino escalate" do you know what I mean? it really sucks I can't express myself better ( English is not my first language)
I try to look at the big picture that's why I don't believe in styles, that's why I have also posted on this forum many times that you shouldn't do everything that you read on PUA books and stick to what goes with your personality and forget about all the rest

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Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers do not like to do 18/03/12

In the end, does it matter?

I'll be honest - I'm not here to fluff my ego. If someone wants my advice - I'll give it, just as a courtesy of age, and experience.

But - those that disagree, or want to flame - good for them - it's just not me.

I'll continue to run my own game regardless of anything read here - and I'll continue to know it works.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

FCgame, don't listen The Jackal Reborn! he has no idea what he is talking about. His observations are about as good as his gaming. I'm going to offer him help as i think he needs it.