Hey Guys, recently came up with an idea to help some people on this forum to really get their seduction skills rock and rolling. I am going to be having weekly video discussions! Now as some of you might know I am a big fan of the 21 convention videos, my reasons are that they talk about other things besides pickup that can help you with you game, ex: money, philosophy, exercise, diet etc, and for the fact that the videos are free. So Every week I will posting a 21 convention video in this thread, and we will have weekly discussions on it. Here are some guidelines for the discussions

First, did you agree with the video or dislike it? If so why?

Second, Have your ORGINAL post in this thread about the video for the week. In other words, if your opinion differs from someone else, don't flame and argue with them, just post your thoughts on the video and why, for your original post for that week. This way everyone knows where you stand and why.

Third, Are there things this video warned you not to do, that you are currently doing?

Fourth, a game plan. How are you going to use the advice given in this video to better your life?

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Answering the question: Why are you here?
Steve Keychain


http://www.the21convention.com/2011/12/ ... -keychain/


Hey guys, I thought this would be the perfect video to start off this 21 convention discussion thread. This video has us go into the important question of “Why are we here?”, as in why are you part of the seduction community?

He starts off his speech by having us perform a visualization exercise by having us imagine our ideal self. So I'd like to take the time to present to you all my Ideal self I hope to become within the next ten years. I Suggest every do that exercise, but you don't have to post what you wrote down like I did.

Exercise

My ideal self is me sitting in at a VIP table in a club with my girl friend. We are accompanied with a large group of friends that are made up of interesting, liberal, beautiful, bad ass, men and women, all having a really good time. There are people outside our section wanting to be a part of us, and I have the power to do this by qualifying them and seeing if they would make a good fit for my social group or not. I personally am financially well off, in great shape, and have obtain a unique skill set (such as dancing, cooking, martial arts training).

The next part of his exercise is that he has you write three list: Ten benefits of being this ideal self, Ten negative of not obtaining your ideal self, and ten reasons why you believe you can accomplish your ideal self. So here are my three list:

10 Benefits of being your ideal self.

1: I have financial freedom to pursue the hobbies and lifestyle I want.

2: I have an amazing social reputation.

3: I have become an excellent dancer.

4: I have a fulfilling sex life.

5: I have an amazing girlfriend.

6: I have a large array of friends and contacts.

7: My life is a never ending adventure.

8: I have a array of unique hobbies.

9: I am inspirational to other people.

10: I am a leader.


10 negatives of not becoming your ideal self.

1: Not having the financial freedom I want, and have to live pay check to pay check.

2: Not have a fulfilling sex life.

3: Not being inspirational to other people.

4: Being mundane (As in, accepting what is given to you and not going after what you want.)

5: Being depressed.

6: Not being in very good shape.

7: Settling for less than what I deserve.

8: Not living to my full potential

9: Dieing with a lot of regret in my life.

10: Dieing alone

Ten reasons why I can accomplish become my Ideal Self.

1: I have a game plan and am moving forward with it.

2: I have the motivation and drive to chase and see my dream succeed.

3: I have a job that can act as the foundation of my financial freedom.

4: I am highly intelligent.

5: I am very good socially, and this has allowed me to make friends in various places.

6: I have a number of resources (websites, books, articles) that have the information I need should I get stuck in any particle area.

7: I am capable of learning form my mistakes and adapting to my situation.

8: I am not afraid to ask for help. (I often found that people failed when they don't take the time or stop and admit that they need assistance).

9: I am not afraid to chase an opportunity when one presents itself to me.

10: I have a good support group of friends that encourage me to keep moving forward (even when at times they don't agree with what I am doing).


According to Keychain, the reason he has people perform this exercise is that he found they are more likely to succeed with their goals if they have list in front of them to look back to when they are trouble.

His speech goes onto to little tip bits such good fashion, hygiene, exercise, and a few other things. I found however the his two best pieces of advice were this: First, do something with you life. Anyone, who has spoken to me in chat knows that I am always telling people to have hobbies (I don't care if they are building model air planes) do something with you life. The reason being is that girls also do stuff with their lives, and like guys who do something with their lives. So do something with your lives damn it!

The Second bit of advice he gave in this Video, which I plan on doing, is to talk to 1 new person a day (Notice I said person, not really hot girl, but a person, be that a old person, a really cute girl, a chilled guy, or some mom walking her dog). He says that just talking to one new person a day, for the rest of you life will make a huge difference in the long term, and I'm willing to try it out (It is just 1 person a day come on now!)

So that is my thoughts on this video of the week. I look forward to reading what other people thought about this video and what they took from it. Also I'd suggest you do the exercise he has the crowd perform during the video, but you don't need to post what you wrote like I did, I just did that to motivate some of you.

Ilium.

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This is the second video of the 21 convention I watched and I am so disappointed in this one..

To begin with this video is only for beginners. It's good video on how to learn to do things but I would not recommend it to anyone since the guy just talks about things he read in a book and he can't even explain properly how to do this, I guess he is just not a good teacher but... I've listen to one of Neil Strauss' seminars back from 2006 and this lad said the same things even in the same order and then at the end of the video when he is asked a question about how to approach a seated set he doesn't know how to answer it and gives a complete rubbish advice obviously cause he can't deal with the situation.

Nothing personal against him, I even like his style but I'd not recommend it as there is far better material to watch/read/listen to on the topics he was talking about.

Honestly I feel bad for people going to those seminars paying hell loads of money (it's ok if you want to do it) get trained by coaches like this one instead of buying some books and read/listen to/watch some good quality material on the topic. And honestly Ilium I when u say "according to Keychain" what do you mean? In the whole video he doesn't share a damn thing about HIS approach, about HIS openers, about HIS way of learning game. All he does is copying an old Neil Strauss seminar, then telling the audience some of Adam Lyons', Sasha, Paul Janka's openers and at the end he even denies the false time constraint.

Besides from the first 5-10 minutes from the video I felt like I've lost 1 hour of my time watching this crap. And if you're not the type of guy who doesn't know what he wants from life I recommend you not to waste your time watching this.

Hey Nickstar, thank you for taking the time to watch this video and reply, your views on this are valid. I did pick this video because it was aimed for beginners.

To answer your question "what do you mean according to keystone?" I was referring to the part where he explains the importance of the visualization exercise, which I honestly thought was the most important part.

In any case, thank you once again for your reply.

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And hard, that out of hell leads up to light." - John Milton's Paradise lost.

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Honestly this visualization for me is not more than a selling technique. It's the key technique to with business. When they are trying to sell you something they try to make you image what would it be like if you had it. The aim of that is for you to start a future projection and get rid of all the obstacles that are in your way of getting there.
It's really good exercise but you can do well better even without his help. Just take a pen and a lot of sheets of paper and start imagining what do you want to do with your life. If you only one sheet you have to put more time and effort. If you wanna do this good you have to write at least 5-6-7 pages of paper on how do you want your life to be and what do you wanna do with it. Then simply focus on 1 thing at a time 100 % doing only this thing. Do not be distracted by other things once you've achieved that little thing continue to the next and so on. No matter how long it take you if you give up u're never gonna make it to the happiness in your life.

Another thing to mention is getting out of your comfort zone- this could mean anything. If you don't feel comfortable approaching - do it, if you don't feel like joging early in the morning - do it, if you don't feel comfortable dacing - start doing it. It could be anything that you don't like doing and it gets you further from your goals. Unless you start doing these things you're never gonna make it. If you start doing them tho you'll get comfortable with them at some point and not only improve your life but you'll build so big mental strength that you'll be your best self .

I haven't bothered watching the video once I read the description, and here's why:

There is a large body of research in psychological studies which suggests that positive visualization does not work. It is at best ineffective, and at worse even detrimental by encouraging procrastination and unreal expectations.
For more on the subject, read:
- "From thought to action: Effects of process- Versus outcome based Mental Stimulations on performance" by Pham and Taylor (1999)
- "Expectations, Fantasy and Weight Loss" by Oettingen and Wadden (1991)
- "The Motivating funstions of thinking about the future" by Oettingen and Mayer (2002)

Positive visualization is a tool which is widely promoted and used by the self-help industry, and yet evidence-based and peer-reviewed studies consitently conclude it does not work. In other words; do not waste your time with trying to visualize your ideal future.

There is still a place for visualization as a training tool though, mostly in fields like competitive sports... etc. Visualization of perfect technique has proven benefits and has been shown to greatly improve muscle memory (Can't reference to the studies off the top of my head, and can't be bothered to look for them).

This weeks video is The 3 Pillars of Seductive success by James Marshall!

http://www.the21convention.com/2011/12/ ... -marshall/

I should have my thoughts on this edited either tomorrow or Wednesday, but until then enjoy!

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And hard, that out of hell leads up to light." - John Milton's Paradise lost.

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I've never actually tried any of this stuff this guy covered so don't consider this post a great review on the video but I clearly have some observations I want to share.

I love this guy. He's a legend. Brilliant video really i liked it a lot.

The things he's talking about I've never heard or read about in the forum or anywhere else and you know what? They make sense. Anything he covered from approach anxiety to working on your lifestyle i loved.

Defo recommend this to everyone