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Starbuck:
Sure, I agree with you dude; women (and infact the vast majority of people) are only capable of acting out of self interest. That's natural, and as it should be, nothing personal.
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You, in your incorrect thinking, think if you're kind or nice enough women will see what a great guy you are and give you what you need.
Excellent point (how did you know I think that way?).
sundayraver:
Oh yeah, it's like disaster city in Sheffield right now. Where in North Yorks are you?
Because all of us guys who have any character whatsoever have been raised to think this way.. Chivalrous, etc..
Save this sort of stuff for your wife, if you're lucky enough to find one in this upside down social environment.
The problem is, women often get far too much credit in the seduction game. In reality they are like lost little kittens.
You need to learn to take them by the hand and lead them where you want them to go, gently. Otherwise they get scared and run off, up a tree or something.
Years ago, I used to go into bars, alone.. Find girls surrounded by guys, and within half a hour be making out with them near the restrooms while the guys they came in with stood around dumbfounded. I even new one in a nearby large city that had a brother that was a local radio personality. The guys she was with were shocked when I said her brother was a 'pussy'. But nonetheless in a few minutes I was necking with her down the hall and they were still sitting their nursing their beers wondering what the heck was going on. I suppose she agreed with my assessment. Today he's a right wing talking head.
I also spent a great deal of time dealing with 'scorned' women (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned).
How did I scorn them you might ask? I didn't move fast enough, they felt rejected and blamed me for my inaction. I was so busy trying to be a gentleman and not force myself on the ladies... Well I suppose they wanted just the opposite. They wanted me to at least try. You know women, us guys are all dogs. And they have expectations. You know wag the tail, jump in their lap and give them wet slobbery licks with our tongues..
Alcohol helps remove ones inhibitions. So we all have our problems, shall we say. And nobody is perfect, certainly not me.
So, if you're in a social situation with a woman, and she's friendly or appears into you make a move on her. You don't have anything to lose.
If she's unreceptive for whatever reason, find another one. And just learn what you can and forget about it.
May not be you, probably just be bad timing. Remember women are subject to hormonal fluctuations. Sometimes they want you bad, sometimes they don't care if you fall off a bridge. It's just the way it is.
So, lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
Get out there and play the game. Ultimately, they'll respect you for it.
One more thing, be very careful. Use condoms, etc.. I held out for years. And who am I today?
46 yo, married to a woman that makes 5 times as much as the average worker, live in a custom log home I designed and built myself with my wifes bucks, and I do what the f..k I want whenever I want. Only problem? I have no kids. Which isn't all bad.
You get the life you choose. Or you can slave for some other prick all your life for next to nothing. Now go out there and grab it by the horns..
And be proud of who you are, to hell with the morons and the detractors who are eaten up with envy, etc... You're unique and special. Time to show the women of the world. They make great friends and allies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxxYlcN0Is
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