hi there, i'm new to this and i just thought i'd introduce myself. I'm 21 and recently graduated from university. I live at home but should be moving out soon. I am an introvert 90% of the time and i think it's time to break out of my shell and work on improving my character. I've gone through some pretty hard times and had to see mental health councilors while in university. But that's all behind me and I want to improve myself.

There's a girl I like at the store I work, and we never used to talk and that was that. But a couple days ago we started talking and I developed a crush on her. I talked to a friend at work, who happened to know her, and my friend said that the girl i like is in serious relationship with her boyfriend and just recently moved into a new place with him with the money her boyfriend's dad gave them. I don't know if i should do something about it. I read somewhere that beautiful girls always have boyfriends and if you let that get in the way then there's no chance. I'm just really confused and don't know what i should do about it. I was thinking of asking her to go "check out something at a store" with me one of these days after work... The problem is we never get off work at the same time so that can be a little bit tricky...

Thanks for reading this far, advice anyone?

ps. and when i say i'm "new to this" i also mean little to no experience with women. Last gf was in highschool...

Alright, I'll address your questions and statements one at a time.
Well, I'm glad to see your changing your ways, while living an secluded lifestyle as an introvert may seem to be best for you, it is not. It pleases me to see that you seek to break out of your shell, I too enjoy my time alone, but it is not healthy to live 90% of your life like that. A 50/50 balance is fine, possibly even more. Including other people in your life will seem awkward at first, but they will all bring new and exciting things into your existence. Guessing from the fact that your an introvert, I can assume your fairly intelligent, so you should catch on quick. I also admire your confidence to begin walking forward, leaving the past behind you. I too am doing something of the sorts at this moment in time as well, thats a whole nother story however.
Okay, now about the girl. I'm going to be real frank when I speak from this point forth. Your not going to break her away from her boyfriend, not your first time up at bat in 4 years. Its just not a good idea, especially if you like her, she will be there later, trust me; right now is time for you to brush up on your social skills before you go sweeping her off her feet. Beautiful girls don't always have boyfriends, fat and ugly ones have them too. Yes, you should never let a boyfriend get in the way because it will ruin your chances, but as I said earlier, not quite yet. What you need to do is get some reading materials, get into the forum and ask questions and read posts, begin to approach anyone you see and just converse with them, and begin approaching other women. Your not going to be able to ask this crush of your to go out and "check something out at a store", quite frankly that is lame. You have to get her attracted to you before you ask her for her company, no matter what kind of situation it may be. Because if you do that now, and ask her, and she says yes, and goes out with you before she is attracted to you. You my friend, will wind up in what we call the "friend-zone". So my only suggestion for you right now, is go buy any pick-up books you can find, I recommend "The Mystery Method" for any beginner, he outlines the social interaction with precise accuracy and makes it easy for any beginner to grasp.

Let me know how your coming along in the next few days and feel free to ask any question that comes to you.

Nicely said Methuselah. That's perfect advice for the moment. It seems you're going to be starting from scratch, so don't rush yourself. Take your time to soak up new things that you learn, and practice. The only way you'l be able to get better is by sarging (going out and opening on women) in any situations, and there will be a fear at the start which you'l have to overcome. Good luck man, hope to hear some progress reports!

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- Difference

Thanks for the responses, Difference and Methuselah, and I'll try my best to learn from your advice. I especially like how Methuselah, you don't beat around the bush and instead just tell me it's "lame" to ask her to "check out something." Anyway, I was wondering if something could be clarified however. You suggested I read "Mystery Method" and in fact I have. I've also read Neil Strauss's "The Game." (To be honest i only read half of Strauss's book) I read these books recently and they were the only reason I even found out about forums like this one even existed.

I'm a little confused though. When reading Strauss and Mystery Method, I always felt that their books were geared towards meeting girls at clubs. These people go "sarging" with "wings" and "open sets" at a club where it's "target rich." I kind of feel like that's not really my thing, all I want is to be more comfortable around girls and get a girlfriend. I guess what I'm saying is, and hopefully this attitude won't doom me forever, that I'm not ambitious in becoming THE BIGGEST PLAYER, I just want to have a girlfriend and be alright around women. I think I came across Mystery saying something like, "some people say clubbing isn't my thing, and you know what, it isn't my thing either."

I thought this was really interesting to hear esp. coming from Mystery. He's saying that he's doing it because it's necessary, that's what he does. Now my question to the people reading this is, are Mystery and Strauss's advice mostly geared towards those who go sarging at clubs? I just don't see how their strategies work for me. If I just want to have a girlfriend not to be concerned with being with lots of women, I just don't really see how their principles apply. They talk about attraction then moving to comfort phase then closing, and for me, working at a store with a crush on a girl working there as well, it's just hard for me to "follow the steps." No disrespect to Mystery and Strauss however, I just want to make that clear.

Sorry for the long message but if anyone would be so kind to explain to me how Mystery Method could be applied outside of the club environment that'll be nice. Or does one HAVE to go to clubs and sarge to be successful?

Willing to learn,
Ferret

hey ferret

u seem like a pretty astute dude, u wanna improve yrself, and are willing to learn. So listen up: this fellowship is not about just gaming lotsa chix with the intention of drilling em. it's about personal power, it's about having the choice to game lotsa chix so ya can choose the best one for u. The skills u learn in this fellowship are not a means to an end. It's all about power, having the power to not only to choose the chick u want, but having the power to get wotever u fucking want in life.

if u just wanna girlfriend, thats OK. However, with a frame like that you'll end up with da first bita pussy dat comes ya way, you will stagnate, or you'll end up pussy whipped, she'll have no respect 4 ya and it'll all fall apart and u will be right back to where u are now.

Obviously u have access to the net, online is all the shit u need, this forum alone has enuf info on it to set u up pretty well. Dude, take this shit seriously, study yr ass off, empower yrself and see that hooking any HB ya want is just the tip of the iceburg.

start sarging online, this is a good way to build yr confidence at little risk (2 yr ego). check out the sarging on line thread, theres lotas cool stuff there (er....written by oneself LOL). Go to david deangelo's site/pick-up 101/david shade/net2bed and subscribe 2 their free newsletter, they send out lotsa good shit.

cheers
dm