Hi guys,

I am completly new here, but yet started to learn something about being a PUA. To be honest with you guys, I didn't really had sex with a girl till a couple of months ago.. While I am 23 years old right now.

I think that I always were a nice person. People liked me for who I am and some girls told me that they did not understand why I still were single. But at the other side - I were shy, especially with girls. I was also out of shape and when I look back at that time; I dressed bad and even my haircut was worse.

This started slightly to change when I went to the gym for like 4 or 5 times a week. I started to take better care of myself. Eating well. I even went to a barber called Schorem in the Netherlands, which old school haircuts are quite trendy (although this isn't the place for us guys, since there are no womans alowed there.. joking). Eventually I loosed like 40 pounds and I started to like (new) clothes, because it simple started to fit well. At his moment people can notice that I am doing sports - and they can't believe that I were fat before. Funny, because I were that for the last 17 years or so.

#To mention, this does not automatically mean anything when we are talking about picking up. I have learned that. Even when girls are showing interest or even say hi by themselves, you still need to have the confidence to talk with them or to take it to the next level. But at the other side - getting a fit body increased me confidence a lot. For example, at this moment I don't care to get naked with a girl or at a public place like a sauna.

I will share some small stories about what happened with me in the past months.

To start with, I fell in love with a younger girl who I met while going out with my younger brother. He was going for her friend - they are in a relationship right now. Because I didn't even really kissed a girl at that time, I was affraid as hell for that moment to come. I was avoiding it. But after a month texting and seeing her a couple of times it happened. Problem was, I was so terrified that I started to act really crazy while kissing. Hell, that sucks. A day later she texted me to quit with this. What I learned? Don't fucking wait a month to kiss someone, don't fall in love to fast and don't be sober the first time (I was with her in the bar and I promised to drive her home. But the be honest, I really could used that drink!).

It toke me some weeks to get over it. The next girl I kissed was really drunk. It was in a bar, there was a girl who liked a friend of mine. So she was going for him, and her friend started to flirt with me. I wasn't really drunk, however, I was really tired because I went out for three days in a row. Eventually we started (or do I have to say she) kissing for a couple of hours (I guess). It was inside, outside, on the dance floor and so on. By the way, it felt like everyone was looking at me. We text for a couple of days but I wasn't really interested. After that I kissed a couple of others girls, all while going out in clubs.

I think it was somewere in the end of febraury when I was on a really nice party with some friends. It started with a beautiful girl, who came to me and said, hey you! smile and dance!, and she started to dance with me and started give me compliments about my looks. There was no reason to be shy, she told me. Funny part was that it was the first day I was wearing a completly new and other kind of clothes. I simple bought them that day. Maybe that worked? Unfortunatly, she left with her friends right after. Eventually there was a Chinese girl looking at me. Even my friend noticed that and he said go for her man! I said yes I will, but let's wait for a moment. After more then a hour waiting she was kissing with another guy. Of course... But there also another girl who was staring at me for a couple of times. I noticed that her friends where gone at that time. When she came to dance close to me, I just asked, hey! are you alone? You can hang out with us if you like. Within a minute we were kissing.. After like 30 minutes she asked, what do you want, my place or yours? The first thing that came up in my mind was: how do I get rid of this girl? Sall I tell her that I promised a friend to go with them? But then I thought, what the hell. Let's go for this. It is probably just one night and I will never she her again. She was her for a study abroad and told me that she was going back to Australia in a month or so. Eventually we managed it go get to her home. I didn't really had sex with her, although I tryed. But probably the nerves, alcohol and especially a bit MDMA didn't really work (people who do that sometimes know what I mean). But it was nice, we kissed a lot, we had oral sex and cuddled for hours. By the way, this was my first one night stand ever. Even the first time I experienced something like sex..

The moment I am writing this I had several kissing scenes, likely almost every week when I go out. Had a sexbuddy for almost a month till she fell in love and started to claim me to much (texting and calling all day.. but I still have a live you know). It felt worse to break it up, because I didn't want to hurt her feeling. But I wouldn't go to serious and she had other thoughts about it all. At this moment I found a new one. I met her at a party, started texting afterward and slept with her one time. I see her again in a couple of days. It is nice and as it seems to be just for fun for both of us. She is also 16 years older then me.. So I guess she knows what she is doing.

But I am still an absolute beginner. Even when I am looking better now and got some experience with girls; I have a hard time with opening. That is definitely something I want to change. Especially with hot girls. I got a kind of metaphor right now. A couple of weeks ago I saw a beautiful girl in the subway. She talking with another girl, but she was secretly looking at me. I was doing the same. I feed bad about not talking to her. So my goal is to always open a beautiful girl when I want to, even in daylight.

I hope to learn a lot from you guys here. And hopefully, when I share my stories once in a while, I will help other people like meself to take a step to start changing too. And always remember that you are not really doing anything wrong here. You are rocking the night of a girl when you are making out with her. Just try to avoid hurting her feelings I would say. Most nice girls will say that they always fall in love with bad guys, so if they do so, you won't be the first one she is sleeping with without any purposes.

See you around guys! By the way, if you are living in- or nearby Rotterdam, feel free to contact me. Probably we can hang out one time!

Growthhacker

First of all, forget about being a PUA. Here's a much better reading list:

Mode One - Alan Roger Currie
Oooooh Say It Again - Alan Roger Currie
Radical Honesty - Brad Blanton
Nice Guys and Players - Rom Wills

I'd also suggest reading the 'Letters to Penthouse' books to gauge just how saucy women's minds actually are underneath. Then talk about the shit you see in those movies to them. And then build up the confidence to speak to women like this:

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v89804327QDrSKNCy

PUA is for pussies. Contact me and I'll show you even more. Or you can spend 1000's on seminars and products that over complicate things, as well as offer unrealistic expectations.

Its up to you, but trust me, this is the better and more honest way.

Also, your name is not Growthhacker. For a forum name, fine but for god's sake don't say that's your real name when you meet real girls.

Hi DirectMike,

Of course, this is not my real name. But I like the term because of my marketing background. But I guess you won't call yourself DirectMike either while meeting girls.

Anyway, you are sharing interest thoughts here. I checked One Mode yet and what I saw in the description and reviews sounds good. But like they say; all roads lead to rome (or atleast more then one), does also count in this situation. I don't believe in a single theory or method or attitude. It have to be combined and used in the way someone's brain is working. But to come back at your point, I will definitly give it a shot to read atleast One Mode.

Thanks,

Growthhacker

Mode One CANNOT be combined with PUA, it is not a PUA trick and Alan Roger Currie is not a PUA. You are DIRECT or you are not. You are either straightforward and to the point or you're not - there is no ambiguity. In this case the PUA roads do not lead to Rome, they lead to massive investments in expensive seminars, books, videos and course at huge prices. The list you have been presented with costs less than £50/$100 and is more or less ALL you need.

Trust me, you will be MUCH better for just being DIRECT and HONEST with women, and you'll feel so much better. Watch some videos of Brad Blanton - he is not a dating guru, but you'll be able to apply his principles to not only dating but everything.

Drop PUA full stop. You cannot combine it - its a logical fallacy.

Welcome man. And yes, talk to girls, ESPECIALLY in daylight. They will light up like a Christmas tree if you come with the appropriate demeanor, trust me.

They go wetter than a fish when you're honest and direct without using PUA crap.

Hi DirectMike,

I like the idea of being honest and direct. But I don't really get how you can use this to pick up girls. Maybe it works when you are Leonardo DiCaprio or Cristiano Ronaldo, I think that they will come away with; hey, I would like to fuck you. But if you are just a random dude, I guess they will think you are weird or even more worse, creepy.

In my opinion, we are using a lot of indirect communication. For example, I can say; 'what a beautiful night' in a normal way. It doesn't mean anything. But when I say the same with a deep sexy voice, while looking her in the eyes and touching her slightly on her arms, I would definitly say the she is hearing something else. Maybe I said the same as I want to spend this night with you. But again, I guess that even when you guys were already flirting for a while, it will scare girls off when you approuch them in a too direct way.

At the other side, I don't believe in dirty tricks too. The only thing I want to learn from PUA's is new thoughts about flirting and ideas to try out. But mostly I want to get rid of the fear to open girls. As far I can see, most experts in the field don't give a damn about being rejected. That attitude I would like to have. But I still think that this will be 10% theoretical study and 90% practice. So I am not going to read 10 books about this subject at all.

Growthhacker

This is what being Direct looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_aU6e2AWQ0

The fact we are indirect as a society is to its detriment to it, not an asset. If you want to see why being indirect and dishonest is a bad way to go, then here - this man also wrote a book called 'Radical Honesty' which is worth a read.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ad+blanton

Also your suggestion of what to do to a woman sounds creepy to me and like some cliche'd movie scene - life doesn't work out perfectly in that way. What I'm saying here isn't hypothetical - I've done this shit for real. Also, this is what women REALLY think of men who are direct with them, and believe me my bad responses are in the minority.

http://www.girlsaskguys.com/girls-behav ... direct-men

"yes I love guys like this. there aren't many guys who are truly like this sadly"

"Straight Forward and No nonsense is sexy!"

"Deffinatley (sic). No doubt. Men like that make me go weak at the knees. Its a sign of a man. Strength, No games."

"OMG. I would absolutely love a guy like that, but for some reason they are all into playing games with out minds. I am usually forward with guys I like. I prefer guys who just tell me they like me. Why make things so complicated." (this girl just said everything wrong with PUA in a single paragraph - women don't want to be fucking gamed)

By saying you're going to talk to her about the night and touch up her arm before going in for a kiss, that does sound like a fucking trick. Opening girls is not even the tip of the iceberg - say you get into a relationship, your bag of PUA tips is going to be fucking empty by then. Being that I'm in a family with two married sisters, I can tell you now the way my brother's in law deal with them is by being very direct and straightforward. And with direct it is about practice, but if you don't read any other books, at least read this one: Mode One.

Also, what I don't get is why direct comes under so much scrutiny. It sounds to me like a lot of you hate the idea that being able to get laid or get a girlfriend could be THAT easy as it has eluded you so far in life. Its because you over complicated things, not because hooking up is complicated. By clouding your mind with PUA (which didn't even exist before the internet - doubt Attila the Hun nor William the Conqueror nor Erik the Red had 'game', they must have had to do something else to get women).

To misquote Shakespeare "Methinks thou dost protest too much" (original was "Methinks the lady dost protest too much", but the misquote is more appropriate in this context).

Christ, you're like a repeat machine. I bet your friends must hate you

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Oddly my ideas don't require 20 products at £1000 each in order to explain them. What existed before PUA as a means of picking up women, Dragula?

Being normal and not a one trick pony that can't function if he isn't talking about the same subject over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over

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Most of these guys are asking for advice on picking up women, or are seeking a means of being able to do it. I am a one trick pony in this regard because there is only one way to do it as far as I'm concerned. Calling me a one trick pony is no different than calling Richard Dawkins the same for saying repeatedly why he doesn't believe in God No negging. No DHV's, no talking about irrelevant crap. But I'm just as likely to convince you as you are to me - if you don't like what I have to say then don't respond to it. The best counter argument you have is one based on ad hominem, which is not legitimate grounds for making a good point.

In all honesty my opinion is that you view direct as a threat, perhaps it could harm your business (if you have one) or perhaps you just hate the notion of facing up to the reality that it really is that easy and you wasted a whole lot of time and money. Of course my argument has no backing as such as I am unaware of your personal history, but I can't see any other reason for you to attack my perspective other than that. As of yet I haven't seen any criticism of some of the most wimpy ways in which people have suggested they could 'win back' a girl, which as far as I'm aware PUA does not advocate as a means of gaining success - you should be spending your time correcting these people instead of attacking my principles. As demonstrated I will likely disagree with you and think you'll be doing more harm than good, as I do now.

Now, answer the question. What existed as a means of picking up women before PUA?

Let's go wayyy back to the ape times, they used Non verbal communication the same way as today's animals mate. They get closer they smell, they touch, heavy eye contact, facial expressions, proximity. they produce sexual tension. Something that I very advocate into my "game". I pull girls from dancefloors with out even saying a word. I look at them in very direct ways. I'm sure you will agree that 90% of communication is non verbal and yet you rely solely on verbals that rarely get verbally reciprocated back.

The only thing I do indirectly IMO is that I tell the girl to Come for a walk with me when my true intention is to try to take them home to have sex with. But women are not stupid, they know my intentions, especially when I'm looking at them sexually. Call it indirect all you want. I call it calibrated. I really wish social conditioning was different but not my fault. Does the penny not drop that there isn't one infield out there of one of these bold cold approaches? I'm calling you out. You probably had a handful of girls in your life.

You on the other hand, are approaching groups of people, telling a girl that you want to fuck her in front of her friends and most likely alienating the dynamic. Call it bold if you want. I call it uncalibrated and borderline social retardation

Feel free to post some lay reports of the last few lays you had. You still never got back to me with one of those. Also PM me pics because quality will be an important factor here. I'm willing to bet the results you get are from girls very much below your looks level.

P.s. You better make a new thread otherwise the mods are gonna close threads due to our agendas

P.p.s Stop accusing me of teaching and taking people's money. I have never considered teaching. So stop with the conjecture and partake into the discussions instead of looking at every thread with the word "direct" Into it. It seems that you only talk about one thing only...

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