lacey your totally right ..

most guys are just manipulative .. but they themselfs do not know it ..

they just missed something while growing up, they cannot interact with woman so they learn all these tricks and tecniques .. while in reality they just need to solve their psychological issues..

do not trust someone... someone needs to deserve your trust .. im not really coming on this forum to give guys techniques .. sometimes i do...

just read up the word seduction ... it sounds manipulative doesn't it ? Game or pua stuff is just bullshit .. guys who cannot interact with woman just do not got their life together - they are shooting themselfs in the foot.... nobody needs game .. men are men and it's their desire to go after woman - it's natures way of doing things.

game means you are doing something to get woman ..
i say just fix your issues and have fun .. go out and enjoy social interactions...all this fucking manipualting and routines , who wants that shit anyway ? most guys need to get tactics and technique to get a woman... that's not my thing. I say learn to enjoy interactions with woman .. it's not about getting a woman it's about creating a enjoyable magic experience for both the man and the woman.

in the end .. lacey .. your observations are correct..most guys on these forums are manipulative freaks .. just like the guy who buys you flowers - he doesn't buy his best friend flowers - he's just likely trying to get you into bed.

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Envy? No. I've never seen anything like this before or even knew it existed until I found it, I misunderstood a lot of it and responded on impulse, until I read more, I actually find this interesting - what's wrong with blonde hair?

I agree with most of the posts on here. 2 common threads-

1) PUA gets a bad rap. We're not here to seduce women into just sex (some are) but rather to get help going from wimps who were taught that women like nice guys only to see them leave us time and time again for a$$holes. We are here to open up our mistakes, seek advice, take in feedback and get better so as to lead a better life where we cana ctually communicate with women and not be lonely and pathetic the rest of our lives.

2) If you give someone a gun, they may either hurt you or help you. That's kinda like what PUA is...some people use these techniques to bed women as trophies (in an attempt to solidify their confidence and brag). Others use it to communicate to women, get to know them better, have success and ideally find "the one".

Lacey, you've never heard of a bunch of guys talking about picking up girls? My roommate in Colombia used to tell me how refined the British are but I guess refined there means dull or as I used to call the Brits, savages. He had the last laugh though when I found a year later that I was given up for adoption by a British family. *smack* I guess you guys can't even tolerate any excitement at all on your little Island. True story btw.

As for the blond thing, , meah just personal preference. You know blonde girls always try to pop that cliche that "blondes have more fun" etc. So when I tell them I'm fascinated by astronomy, motorcycling, cello or geopolitics and would be impressed with how much they knew about each topic, they usually respond with a blank stare. lol I like an intellectual girl or a girl with hobbies. Besides I'm blond and blue eyes so I need something more than that to impress me.

Entiendes todo loca?

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i like blonde woman .. you look awesome ..

i don't know about your personality..

just be who you want to be

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I love women, but I have no idea how they think.

That's the mindset that brought me here. I still don't really know how they think, but I am way better at interacting with women even now, just 6 months or so into my learning.

Some guys will use this to manipulate women and just fuck em and leave em, yep. That'll happen, but then again most guys on the forum with intelligence also promote honesty. If they are only interested in sex, they want to make sure their partners are aware of it.

I knew a girl named Lacey once. That name will always have a special place in my heart. And I think you are just beautiful.

For me this place is the best thing since money. I am an attractive, interesting man. I am friendly, intelligent and sincere and I have a number of hobbies such as playing guitar and cooking. You or any other woman would love to know me and most likely sleep with me, but for whatever reason I have serious trouble approaching or meeting anyone, especially any woman that I'm attracted to, and always have. I have lived a very isolated, lonely life and had all but resolved myself to the idea that I would be miserable and alone for the rest of my days. This despite the fact that I'm only 32.

What I came here looking for was the confidence to approach women and, as was said in 60 Years of Challenge, give them the opportunity to meet me. There are guys like me out there who are genuinely good guys with a lot going for them, but without the confidence to approach and the ability to keep your attention you would never meet them. I've only been here for about a month but this forum has really helped me start to get over my social hangups so that I can finally see the light at the end of this very long tunnel. So for me it's not about bedding random women it's more of a self help kinda thing. I just wish I had started learning all this fifteen years ago.

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DJ_Z,

Women are actually quite easy to understand. May I quote Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets when he's asked how he understands women so well.

"It's simple. I think like a man and I remove all reason and accountability."


Ask Lacey she'll back me up. Right Lacey?

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I've never seen that film lol, not sure what you mean, do you mean women do not have reason and are not accountable for the things we say or do? Or that we think we aren't?

woman have a different psychology , they behave different.. they are hardwired to not take responsibility during dating / social interactions. it's not good or bad .. it's just a observation which is proven over and over - it is what it is.

the reasons to not be accountable is not only concious but also instinctive...it's very complex stuff - it's hard to explain it in a short manner...

aside from all that - it's also plain logic.. people are just more relaxed and comfortable when someone takes responsibitlty away from them.

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Not going to bother reading three three pages of replies, but many guys intention on this site is to simply make them more attractive to women. Just like women fashion magazines are SUPPOSE to help women be more attractive to men. Even though they fail, miserably.

However this is the real deal, and helps guys live happier less frustrating life's.

Equis, I just want you to know that you're a bastard... A glorious bastard.

Just another background...

I grew up and used to be a social super star. I was very popular in High school and college. When I joined the army, went overseas, and came back, it all changed. I was very physically dominating, but the personality was all fucked up in me. I knew very few people, I found myself anxious to talk to new people... Go figure, the army produces an emotionless warrior. Between martial arts and the army, you could throw me in a combat zone, or stick anyone in the cage in front of me and I'd be just fine... put a beautiful lady in front of me and I'd freeze up. It's no longer a world where the strongest survive, so I had to move past my instincts, and get my personality to voice and amplify my better qualities if I was going to be happy. Now I have many friends, both male and female. I spend a lot of time with different people doing all kinds of activities. Some of these connections have benefitted me with jobs, or new hobbies. Not necessarily this forum, but this community changed my life for the better because of the social dynamics that it teaches. Some people end up backwards in social situations, so the reason it's broken down into several steps is because it makes it easy to learn step by step... or re learn in my case. Feel free to give advice on posts, such as, "That would definitely get me talking!"


-Ruggedized

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And it really doesn't seem like it has anything to do with art, does it?

I hate replying to these introduction posts by women since they tend to get so crowded with desperate male attention, but I really have to comment on this.

Pickup Artistry is art, but the Seduction Community as a whole is full of so much bullshit and marketing that it doesn't look like art at all anymore. I gotta admit, it almost never looked like real art. The thing is, though, this shit is VERY MUCH art at its core. The fact that there's virtually no focus on the actual artistry of pickup needs to change; the community needs to take a new direction.

A great seduction is no less of an artful expression than a great song or painting. And it's an even more beautiful work because it doesn't last on a recording or a canvas. The medium for the art is the invisible interaction between man and woman.

You know what? Most "pickup artists" aren't pickup artists at all. I'll be one of the names changing that in the future, mark my words.
Have you ever heard an academic definition of art? It sure as hell sounds extremely similar to science if you ask me.

Seduction IS spontaneous and exciting... for the woman. The man has the burden of LEADING the interaction in that direction, meaning that he has to KNOW what the fuck he's doing. If the man is an experienced seducer, then it's spontaneous and exciting for both parties. If he's not, then he needs to figure this shit out.

I can relate to this, I think the adverts I've seen on the site and the general vocabulary used could be refined. I think such a community would do well to have an image of high-class decadence rather than the objectifying image it has at first glance.

I agree with some things that Don Draper and others have posted in the thread about being a gentleman. To have your mind blown by a good seducer who can be a gentleman at the same time? - Amazing. If you can learn how to seduce women successfully, great, not so when it's at the expense of certain morals and standards.

Some things I still don't understand the use of though, like the 'HB1-10' thing. Surely everyone's criteria as to what makes a girl 'hot' is different - there can be no universal scale for this?