Hello everyone. I joined about a month ago but never officially introduced myself until now. I won't say how old I am but I seem to be a lot older than most on here. I won't go into all the details but suffice it to say for whatever reasons and there are many of them I suppose I have never truly been successful with women or mastered the art of seduction and picking up women. THat's why I'm on here. I have studied tons of stuff over the past few years but can't seem to put it into practice. It's more about logistics than anything else. Here's the deal. For one thing I have no one to go out with so no wing man whatsoever. Aside from that everytime I do go out all I see are women with their friends or boyfriends and it's almost impossible to say anything to them(like I said logistics). Also, they rarely seem interested or make eye contact.Why approach if it doesn't make sense. I'm relatively good looking but I probably don't dress that well. All I ever seem to get is the cold shoulder. It's very frustrating. As a result I rarely go out anymore. I also am broke so no money to spend on nice clothes(which sucks). I haven't mastered the whole internet dating thing either. That is almost as bad and just as much of a waste of time. I am totally confused, frustrated and sick and tired of trying to meet women. Nothing seems to work no matter how hard I try. Women sure don't make it easy for us do they? Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Yes, I support Maverick jr ! 2h practice are 5h reading (that is my philosophy).
Welcome !

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You can get this handled Mike, just be strong, get out there, and get some practice. What part of PA?

Sorry I but I don't understand the Bulgarian fellows response. Maverick Jr?

But to answer Craig's question, I am from the Philly area. The thing is I really don't like going out by myself. I feel(and probably look)rather pathetic when I do. I try not to project that though but going out by myself doesn't give me any social proof and I'm really not the kind of person to b.s. anyone by saying something like "oh I'm just waiting for my friends" when I'm really not. The way I see it is that using that kind of deception will only come back to bite me on the ass later.

I don't mean to come across as someone who has no self esteem. If I do it's because of other areas in my life(which I won't get into at the moment). It isn't so much that I can't approach or talk to women or that I'm not good in social situations. In the right social situations with the right people I can be very friendly and outgoing. The problem is with women(especially attractive ones)I tend to view the interaction as some kind of romantic or sexual one. Even if I did start the interaction in a non sexual or romantic way the fact is that most women know that just by talking to them that you are interested. How can you speak to them without making it seem like you aren't coming on to them, that you are just being friendly and that your interest in her is dependent on her good behavior? For some reason I find it easy to strike up a conversation with a man or group of mixed gender people(but not so much one woman or a group of females). I guess this is my sticking point.

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I don't like going out much by myself either, although it can be a good learning experience. Go on the meet up and wing section and meet some guys from Philly. I already met some Pittsburgh area guys and have had some fun.

Women are going to know that you are coming on to them. Don't totally hide that. Be a little bit cocky and funny, and it can help to use something intense(high power) in your opener or close to opening. That will let them know that you are qualifying them and it will either make them interested or screen them out. Don't waste time in low energy/go nowhere interactions.

How much material have you read/watched/listened to? I would reccommend getting David DeAngelo's ebook and starting there if you haven't already. Start reading and meet some guys who are involved in the Philly area and you'll make progress.

I have read and listened to a good amount but the trick is applying it and having the right opportunities. I know about cocky and funny as a general technique and have used it. I went to this singles event a couple of months ago where I used it. I didn't hook up with anyone but a guy there told me that about three women there thought I was cool or something to that effect so there definitely must be something to it. I don't think it worked with everyone though since one girl seemed to be slightly offended. Maybe I wasn't smiling enough or maybe I should have said something like "you know I'm joking right?" But I figured if I said something like that it would lose it's impact and that would lower my status and make it seem like I was approval seeking. I figured if she was really offended she would have said something. Anyway, toward the end of the night this one woman gave me a hug. It was quite unexpected but she was one that I was doing c&f with and also did the "this isn't a date for me it's an opportunity for me to see if I like you" thing. I think that helped too. That said I still have a long way to go. There is a lot to learn.

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