Hello. I suppose many details of my life could be summed up quite well in the three simple letters "AFC," but I don't like that term, nor do I like the stupefying amount of acronyms people have come up with to describe carrying on a conversation.

I guess I should introduce myself. I am an improviser by trade, a musician and writer, and I just got out of a long term relationship that seemed to wear me down a bit. I don't come off as witty or as funny as I used to. Also I think the fact that I am quitting drugs(not just weed), which I've used all through highschool and my early college years, is proving to give me anxieties that I never knew existed. It's all a work in progress.
I like to idea of being a natural pick-up artist, yet I'm not too above a little work and discipline to learn from those who succeed, or to spell out words completely (that's the writer side of me I suppose).

A bunch of these routines or phrases or openers just seem ridiculously cheesy, and I don't think I'd ever be able to honestly pull them off without laughing at myself.
I like *smile* "Hello" or *smile* "hi" the best, and I like to improvise based on the feel of each individual situation.
What I came here for was some guiding principles for the beginning, middle, and end, of every possible pick-up situation.
It seems like a lot of the "ACF's on here are much more neurotic than I am.
I was reading whichever thread it was that suggested that guys go out and smile and say "hi" to girls in the mall, and there were so many guys that were like "omg I can't do it!!" It blew my mind the way they were acting! Are most guys that neurotic?

Let me tell you, as a person who has tons of music theory knowledge under my belt, I know what it takes to be able to listen, react, and do things on the seat of my pants, yet still follow some rules of logic so the whole thing doesn't go haywire. It takes time to learn the rules, let the rules sink in, then act spontaneously as if there are no rules. I'm talking about music there, but I feel like I might as well be talking about PUA.
Basically I'd like to learn the theory that the experienced folk have to offer without getting bogged down in the petty details.
I think I'm a fast learner, but I am not trying to come off like I know anything.
Obviously I wouldn't be here if I knew how to just attract more than a few one night stands here and there.
It seems like the girls that I really want always go for guys who are far smoother than me.
Which threads do you think would be most helpful to me?

Hey BeFunked welcome to the forum!

Reading your post was interesting so what the hell I'll have a swing at it.

K dude honestly, reading the stuff saying that your an Improviser is not an attractive quality when it comes to meeting or hooking up with women sorry to say. Being a musician on the other hand is cool, women love guys with a special talent. You want to learn PU and get this shit right, you have to overcome your own personal fears an misconceptions of the world you know already and you push yourself to try and learn from the people who long had to suffer much worse than you in order to become better themselves. You think Mystery, Adam Lyons, Gambler and all the other high profile PUA's had it easy? No. They were nerds and geeks and were highly unsociable people before and they decided that they werent going to be stuck in the same situation, hopeless with no luck of ever finding girls and changin their lives. They went out there and created stuff and did stuff that may seem "cheesy" or "ridiculous" to the rest of the world, but i'll let you in on a little secret...it all works.

Have you ever read a book called The Game? If not I suggest you do, it will change your life and complete spectrum of things. If you have, then awesome!

You have to give the openers and routines a try man, they are all designed to help and get you the girl. What openers or routines have made you feel this way anyway? In the beginning you will always be an AFC, but like many other things in this world, if you dedicate yourself and push beyond your comfort zone and breathe in new world ideas that seem silly but make it so mindbogglingly easy to attract a girl then you wont ever need to improvise when it comes to your love life!

Thats the truth man. We only help people who are willing to help themselves.

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I'm not saying I want to totally make everything up on the fly, conjuring random things out of thin air. That's not what I mean by improvisation. I mean there are certain rules of music like: which notes fit in which chord, playing along with the groove, playing the right tempo, playing the correct volume with the other instruments. and so on. The great blues and rock guitarists didn't know exactly what they were gonna play during their solos that made them famous, but they knew extensively what NOT to play(some through trial and error, some through study, most through both), and they knew how to make an audience go "AW!!!" when it counted.

I see all those as metaphors as learning the rules of this game, which I have played a little bit, but have a severely insufficient level of experience with.

How could improvisation (in the sense that I just described) be a bad thing? It's basically learning how not to fuck up, and why certain things (attitudes, phrases, trains of thought, etc.) are going to fuck you up, yet still fundamentally remaining who I am.
"learn the rules, then forget the rules"
Does that make sense?

I think it basically comes down to I want to carry on a normal conversation and not have my hand held the whole time. I'm not a social retard, yet certain things like approaching (mainly while not tipsy/drunk), getting numbers, keeping attraction when there's other guys trying to game the girl I want, building value, and so forth need to be worked on.
I'm highly interested in the biological and psychological reasons behind things, those principles are what I'm talking about when I use the metaphor of music theory. I'm interested in the deeper logic behind the openers, not just some canned lines.
Thanks for your reply!

Which threads in particular would people recommend?

If you want to know the inner workings and psychological things behind the routines then you may want to read some books featuring Ross Jefferies, he teaches Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) techniques related to why women respond the way they do in PU. That should give you the insight you want.

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I should say that this thread was prompted in large part due to one of my buddies being so damn good at getting girls that I can't help but be frustrated when I'm around him because with any girl I even remotely like, he's already like a mile ahead of me. We're both musicians of similar skill and notoriety around my city. He's a little older and has been around far more: lived in NYC (which is an experience unto itself, I'd imagine), and several other places.

He teaches me lots of stuff, musically, physically (he's got this kung-fu thing going and could kick my ass), and he's definitely more experienced, but I can't bring myself to say "teach me how to get chicks like you!"
I'm starting to think that he's studied PUA information. He's very susceptible to all the same anxieties that I, or anyone else is, when I talk to him in a non-pickup setting, yet he always knows what to say to girls and never has a short supply.
He's like that guy I read about in the pdf file that the site sent my e-mail account when I first signed up. He's my friend, and I truly enjoy him, yet I wish he'd pick a girl already and stop hogging them whenever I'm around!

There's this one girl in particular that is drop dead gorgeous. She approached me in a bar saying "hey I've seen you before, you're really good." And she introduced me to a delicious new beer, and got to talking, small talk and stuff, but as soon as my bass player buddy waked in he had her ear for the rest of the night.
I'd really enjoy making this girl a project of mine in the short term.
She's so cool, hangs around all the musicians, knows every band and artist I'm into, gets the GOOD green stuff, plus idk...she's gotta be like an HB8 at the very lowest. I mean if symmetry is an indicator of beauty, she's freakin' perfect, with a flawlessly proportioned body. Nice long blonde hair, soft blue eyes, smiles easily and comfortably, laughs graciously.
I'll probably see her the next time I go to a jam session, yet I'd like our next encounter to be more than me just hoping my buddy doesn't show up, and get her number and an agreement to hang-out soon. Maybe even that same night sans clothes! Yet I'll be more than happy if I just get her number and an agreement for another date.
Is the scope of my post beyond a member introduction at this point?