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Author:  Shaun [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:28 pm ]
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Hey guys last night the weirdest thing ever happened and its still kind of continuing and i dont know whats going on. I gamed this girl and kissed her literally within 3-5 mins. But there was this other guy who came and aparantly she was obsessed with him. I tried doing everything to destroy him but she really seemed to like this guy and she knew him already etc.
I tried all sorts of AMOG destroyers but it didnt work and within minutes she was pulling this guy after he went and boaght her a drink! So basicly i took this as her choice and left and went to game some other girls. I didnt see this girl again. What happened here?

To make things weirder this same girl texted me this morning and ive set up to go for a drink with her and perhaps more tomoro. So this is even more confusing. Im guessing this other guy might of fucked things up with her last night and she still had some of the strong attraction she felt for me? I mean this whole situation has been one of the weirdest ive encountered so far and really proves just how weird woman actually are. But can anyone help me out here and give me some advice. I mean i couldnt destroy the AMOG, she chose him last night, but has no come back to me. What gives have i done it right or wrong?
Author:  Mech [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:32 pm ]
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sounds like you got out-alphaed.

If she knew this guy before you met her, he has already built some comfort, rapport and attraction. You really have to know what you're doing to compete with that in 3-5 minutes.

I would say bring another girl when you meet the hb in question.
Author:  saqchek [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:48 pm ]
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Exactly what kind of AMOG destroyers were you using? Also, why not keep her attention on you and your stories as compared to DLVing some toolbag? Especially if he wasn't in the set. You need to give some more details.

Also, it's very possible that this guy isn't interested in her so she's using you for a second place kinda guy. It's hard to tell without you giving details.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:02 pm ]
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She was already interested in him from before, so you had far too much to overcome inside of 5 minutes to succeed unless you are an absolute master. In that position, I'd let her know she's lost your interest by telling her you're going to meet someone else and then leave in high standing. Now she's called you back, because either things didn't turn out the way she was hoping with that guy (he could be too AFC now that she's met you and he's buying her drinks), or maybe she got what she wanted, or got turned down and now she's interested in you again. It really doesn't matter what the reason is and I wouldn't bother going into what happened with that guy unless she starts telling you how a loser he turned out to be or something, then you guys can joke about it and build some more rapport. Just go back into it and keep running your game and who cares about the AMOG, its happens.
Author:  Shaun [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:07 pm ]
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Yer, basicly it didnt matter i tried telling stories doing routines etc but she literally seemed obsessed with this guy. I was doing AMOG destroyers like nice shirt, i had one of those back in high school, gave him a pat on the back, alpha hand shake, asked if he had a girlfriend which he quickly turned round and asked me if i was gay. I knew i should of said where is youre gf. I mean this guy was a chump but was still doing something right, he was pretty drunk, looked weedy gave off negative body language and boaght her drinks. I dont think ill mention him when im with her tomoro. I kinda left her with the i dont give a shit attitude, or well to the best of my abilities. You guys got any good AMOG destroyers?
Author:  Rye Lee [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:22 pm ]
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Sometimes its better to just let it go in those situations and then get together again when he's not an obstacle. Just make sure that you aren't a dick when you walk away and see her again. Some people will take the "I don't care" attitude so far that its obvious they do and are just being pouty.
Author:  musicman [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:32 pm ]
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This is so PUAFC - Complete AFC's who happen to know pickup. At the end of the day what's really going to become of us answering the questions you're asking here.

By sticking around with her while she is deliberately talking to another guy shows you have nowhere else to go - DLV -, and trying to DLV someone she already knows and has comfort with is coming from a position of desperation - DLV
You were around her for about five minutes and look how much value you have given her! Enough for a whole post to be written about her
Author:  Shaun [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:01 pm ]
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not really, i just felt it was weird and wanted to know what happened. Like i said i didnt care, i left and sarged and K-clossed some other girls as well as opening a few sets etc. I was just wondering whats been going on.
Author:  InnerPunk [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:52 am ]
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although a bit harsh, I think musicman is right. You wanna be alpha but the last thing you want is to get into a p!ssing contest with the guy, cause you just look jealous. Sounds like you left with enough value, and she will come to you... Not to wierd really just another dude fighting to get the girls attention
Author:  xhopefullookx [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:22 am ]
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Id say bring a girl with you to drinks, make the HB chase you like you almost chased her.
Author:  Bruce [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:28 am ]
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To make things weirder this same girl texted me this morning and ive set up to go for a drink with her and perhaps more tomoro
You shouldn't have set it up.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:35 am ]
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To make things weirder this same girl texted me this morning and ive set up to go for a drink with her and perhaps more tomoro
You shouldn't have set it up.
Why? If you have a valid reason, then explain it, otherwise you are just telling someone "Don't go in that room" and then they go "Whatever" and go in the room which is full of toxic gas and die. You tell them "Don't go in that room, its full of chlorine gas!" then they don't go in it. Part of helping people out on the forum is to tell them why they should or shouldn't do things, cause otherwise you aren't teaching them, they will have to ask for help every single time.

Personally I don't know why you wouldn't set up a drink with the girl if she texted you. Would you sit there and just fluff until she gets bored, or hope that she proposes a drink? No, you take hold of the situation, tell her "Listen, meet me at the pub across from the mall on 1st ave and we'll have a drink." You've established that you are in charge, she meets you, you pick up where you left off, you build more attraction so she likes you better than the AMOG, then you take her over to the mall and walk around for a bit. Check out my post on my take on mall game in the "Ask Rye Lee" thread in the Newbie forum.
Author:  Bruce [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:02 am ]
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Why? If you have a valid reason, then explain it
She chose the other guy last night. She text message him the next morning and *HE* is setting things up. He's demonstrating lower value (again).
Author:  Rye Lee [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:07 am ]
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Why? If you have a valid reason, then explain it
She chose the other guy last night. She text message him the next morning and *HE* is setting things up. He's demonstrating lower value (again).
No, if he were to just sit and neg her and try to get her to set things up, then he will probably end up looking like he's pouting and wants her to show her interest. Well, she's already shown interest by texting him and now is his chance to show her why he's better. Just because you get out done by another guy, doesn't mean that you should shun a girl and make her have to prove herself to you that she's now interested in you, because if you do that, you will end up losing her interest. She's giving an opportunity to rekindle things, so you take it and show her that you're in charge now by setting it up to your liking. Would you rather play on her field and then have to fight to command the frame, or would you rather bring her into your frame? I'll take the 2nd thank you.
Author:  Bruce [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:33 am ]
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she's already shown interest by texting him
That's a tough one to swallow--because I confuse it with getting used, but I'm a noob. Hey, if he can handle the situation (or think of it as an opportunity to practice "frame control") then I think he should go for it.
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