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Author:  kingfreddys [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  body language always shifts my faith on opener
it seems that the women at my school, being a high school, are timid as fuck. My game is primitive and i can't find a smooth opener.

the other day i came up to this girl from behind without thinking about it, applied basic kino on the back of the arm on my approach, and i believe i asked her how she was doing, she said, 'i'm doing good'. but when she was saying this her step away and body language displayed discomfort, this was the first thing i noticed and i froze, after i paused the only thing i could think of saying was,"yeah, i'm just seeing how you are doing" and she said,"good". somewhere in there I told her my name, overall, shitty shit. a similar thing happened today, i asked a girl if she was new, she wasn't, her body language displayed discomfort, and i backed down. but i guess my question is..

how do I open up a set in a fashion that feels natural to the girl? or what is a good opener for this type of girl?
Author:  TriP [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:05 am ]
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<-needs more info like age and a little more detail bout the scene

like if ur in the hall way she probably acted that way cus she didnt have time to interact, if it was at lunch she may just be really shy and not used to guys coming up to her like that, in high school unless you are at a party you really dont see much of that, in fact i saw more girls go up to guys than guys going up to girls in high school...

one thing i would think about is touching her on the back of her arm, i know alot of people have intimacy problems and they may interpret a caring gesture as something very preditorial

also age difference, or click association can make a huge impact on how people react when they are younger, as you age more the maturity level often plateaus where as at a younger age different people are all over the place



any one have more physical experience with this scenario, im trying to help him look at this analytically...
Author:  .EnVy. [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:46 am ]
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When approaching a girl in the
hall way, DON'T EVER COME UP
FROM BEHIND.

"Objects in motion tend to stay in
motion." Instead, walk IN FRONT
of her, and just casually look over
the shoulder and state your opener.

I'm in high school as well, and I do
this all the time, never fails.

If you're sitting next to a girl in class,
that's even BETTER. Now, you have some-
thing that you can lean back on (Such as
a desk) and you can be comfortable
while throwing negs. Have some small
kino escalation like the ESP scenario.

Trust me, it always works well in school.
DON'T KINO UNTIL YOU HAVE BUILT ATTRACTION.
I recommend after A1 or A2 you go into kino.

Today I got a phone number
from this HOT babe next to me in
class, in 4 minutes flat :).

Yeah, I timed myself hahahaha :P.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:49 am ]
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NEVER APPROACH FROM BEHIND. I know it is possible and if you know what you're doing, then ignore that, but this is the newbie forum and until you're not a newbie anymore NEVER NEVER NEVER. When you apply kino, you need to be aware of WHERE YOU ARE KINOING. I'm actually really glad you asked this, cause a lot of people just think that kino is kino, a touch is a touch, which is wrong. Upper arms are a good place to start as they aren't very personal areas, but on the part that is facing upwards normally, or their front side. The back of your arms are sensitive and it feels very personal. Tops of the forearms are good too, but you need to learn how to apply kino without invading someone's personal space, otherwise you are going to creep people out every time. Also, just knowing where to touch isn't enough, if you rest your hand on a girl's forearm and just leave it there, then you're gonna be creepy, so depending on where you touch, there are different lengths of time that you can safely touch, as well as how soft or firm, whether it is a brush, or a pat, or a grasp. I really don't feel like listing them all, so think to yourself what feels invasive and maybe get a friend and ask them what it triggers when you touch them in certain ways if they aren't massively homophobic and are interested in learning game too. Or better, get a girl that is comfortable enough with you as a friend to do this because girls and guys have different comfort zones.
Author:  kingfreddys [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:09 am ]
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both were after school while she was waiting for the buses to arrive. the first one i mentioned, i made the mistake of ignoring her friends as well as coming up from behind. i'm 17 and i think the first girl was 15 and the second was 16 or 17. Tommorow i'll try a few more sets, but i need to figure out how to feel comfortable creating rapport out of nothing, and not stalling, that's the shitty one, i wait way too long.
Author:  .EnVy. [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:23 pm ]
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No offence, man, but a couple
of those aren't really the best
openers, in my opinnion. The
"are you friendly?" Line seems
to be a bit awkward from my
perspective.

For example, she's probably going
to think that you're after something,
or else she'll be like "why is he
so interested about me all of a sudden?"

Or, let's just assume that she goes
with it: "I guess so, yeah."

Where are you supposed to go from
there?

I LOVED the "you're in my class but
you never say 'hey.'"

That's great because it's a neg AND an
opener together--the neg is that she seems
to be ignorant and a bit rude by not
acknowledging you, and the opener
is the the fact that it will get her started
in the conversation.

Anyways, good luck.
Author:  duke77 [ Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:36 am ]
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I don't think that you have to really worry about openers so much, especially in classrooms. I graduated high school just a few years ago and the memory is still pretty fresh.

In class, usually people are dying for distractions. One of my favorite things to do was say something to myself, but loud enough and in the direction of a target. They're more likely to open you as well, with "What was that?", or "we're talking to me?". From here, I would explain my comment, and then stack forward. Little did I know I was a mini-mystery, but my game is alot better since reading him.

In hallways, have a primary reason for being somewhere near a target, and your secondary reason is to open. While these are really reversed, it conveys a non-threatening profile.

Finally, cliques and groups in high school mean everything. If you are a nerd and she's a cheerbabe, figure out a new social status first. She can usually tell by your clothes.

BTW. Peacocking works GREAT in HS. The more outlandish you dress, the more intriguing you are. Its also a DHV.
Author:  .EnVy. [ Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:44 am ]
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Yeah, peacocking is the best idea in
high school. Make sure that you are
the center of attention and get the
POSITIVE feedback from your peers.

"Clicks" are EVERYTHING in high school.
I agree with what he said, make sure you
either:
-Change your style to fit the target.
-Find another target that fits YOUR style.
Author:  kingfreddys [ Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:21 am ]
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I tested the are you friendly on a HB8, popular prep, underclassmen, and it and I tanked, she wasn't having it straight from the start, she said,"I guess" with a negative tone and thats when she started leaning/walking away, it was obvious she wanted out so i told her to have a good day.
Author:  .EnVy. [ Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:55 am ]
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I told you, that's what would happen.
That's why I said try to stay away from it.

Nice try, though.
Author:  kingfreddys [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:19 am ]
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yeah i tried it before i was able to see you point out its flaws.
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