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Author:  Brah [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  How do you stop an opposing PUA???
Ok, so I met this very hot girl online. My frame was arrogance and sexuality, and I masterfully pulled her straight into it. She had posted in her profile that she's looking for a LTR, wants children, and if you're looking for a 1 night stand to go somewhere else. After a day of back and forth, I had basically made her agree to sleep with my by the second date and then commence an open f-buddy relationship. It was pure mastery, a conversation that I will use as a template for many future online pickups to come :)
So, I tell her to meet me for a drink (first time meeting her).

I meet het at a bar, and we start chatting. I'm still running the strong frame of alpha, sexual, etc., but I'm not running standard "Opener, Neg, DHV" game b/c I've already got her hooked, I don't need the PUA outer game from this point, only the PUA -inner- game.

After about 5 minutes of chatting, an average looking (peacocked) dude with high energy approaches us, opens, negs my date, laughs and gives her a high-five, starts telling her everything straight out of the PUA handbook. She is eating it up and loving it. Laughing, and he starts kino on her touching her arm. I'm just standing there like a chump. I know exacty what is going on, but I feel POWERLESS to stop it. On one hand I want to say "THIS GUY IS PLAYING YOU!!! IT'S STRAIGHT VINCENT, NEIL, MYSTERY STUFF! SNAP OUT OF IT, WOMAN, IT'S A ROUTINE! " On the other hand, I'm mesmorized by how amazing a job this average-looking dude is doing and literally stealing my date from right under my nose. I felt utterly beta and powerless. Intsead of trying to AMOG him, or call him out, at the first opportunity I got pulled my girl into the back of the bar to play a game of pool and isolate her from him. Had the guy followed us, I would have called him out on being a PUA (though he seemed very good, and I don't know if it would have phased him).

Anyway, it worked, and he didn't follow us back there. I ended up getting some great head in a VERY public place, and I made her beg me to fuck her next time I see her :) :)

But, I would have been screwed if I wasn't able to just leave with her. That PUA was going to take my date right out from under my nose.
So my question is this: When you're out with a girl, and some guy comes up and runs a PUA routine, and you want to smash his face in (socially), What is the best way to do it??? Do you just call him out on being a PUA? How exactly is the best way to do that to humiliate him or get him to back down? Do you AMOG him? Do you out-PUA him?
Thanks for the tips...
Author:  TheJ [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:55 pm ]
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I think I would of called his attention and used PUA lingo to let him know you were on to him. Something like, " Hey dude, nice DHV spikes but watch the negs". He'll likely understand you are in the know. She'll most likely ask you what that was about to which you can answer " It's just guy code " and you can add if you feel like it "It's just guy code to tell him he's doing a terrific job at picking you up".

Incidently, I might of tried to get HIS number and sarge with him if he's that smooth :)
Author:  Whip [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:28 pm ]
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I hate it when it happens. And it has happened. I did what the J suggested except that the guy was so arrogant and full of shit he didn't care. First he tried to play me out using various NLP/hypno tricks trying to make me seem inferior. Luckily our language and Milton model don't mix well. Then he tried to get me on he's side while playing me out. wtf. Finally I decided to leave the set.
Author:  Jav [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:56 pm ]
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Whisper in the girl's ear "who's that creepy guy"


Does wonders.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:43 pm ]
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Control the interaction from the beginning by looking at him oddly when he does his opener, looking at her like "who is this creep?" telling him how "adorable/cute" his "pick up line" was, and steering the conversation towards topics where you and her already have a connection or an inside joke. Don't try to amog or be aggressive, just be so confident that he's not a threat that you don't need to insult him. Instead treat him like a funny little child who's come over, and send him running off to go play with somebody else. Don't laugh at his jokes, but don't scowl at him the whole time like you're being bitter at him. Basically be completely non-reactive and treat him like he is of much lower value than you.
Author:  l oasis l [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:22 pm ]
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Whisper in the girl's ear "who's that creepy guy"


Does wonders.
haha i like that, she'll most likely laugh which is sure to knock him down a peg.


what also works is
AMOG: blah blah
PUA: OH he's trying to pick you up! how wonderful!
(to girl, all knowingly) Looks like I have good taste in women [wink]
(to AMOG- lean back) Alright man, the floor is yours - lets hear your pitch

Not many people can handle pressure like that, but since you said he was a talented pua, you can interupt him while maintaining your frame
'ok..okk .. this is boring me' as though his pickup attempt was for you. continue with 'maybe you can settle a debate we were having.. until the live entertainment showed up. [standard opinion opener, but in this case, closer(if you use one known to puas he might even get the hint)]
Author:  DonPua [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:49 pm ]
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I never experienced this but if I would, I would like to try following 2 possibilities:

* possibility 1: I would neg him the complete time. First of all I think I would say this one very early on in his pickup attempt: "I really like how you are trying to pick her up but you make some basic mistakes. You should touch her more. Any guy with a bit of experience with women should know this. Grab her arm a bit, throw some arm around her, ... ", now he can't use kino anymore so I crippled his game. Moreover, I made him look like he hasn't any experience with women so bye bye preselection. Basically he is checkmate. And then I would also neg his clothes: "So, nice and colourfull clothes you are wearing. Did your 5 year old cousin made it for you ?". I would say this in a cocky funny tone to demonstrate that I dominate him.

* possibility 2: I just leave both the PUA and my girl and start gaming another girl using PUA tactics. My girl should feel more connected with me because I know her a bit longer so she should get jealous as hell and walk away from the PUA.

I would start doing this immediately when I see a guy opens her. If I am with a girl I expect a guy to have the decency to leave her alone because she is with me. Any attempt of opening her is an attempt of trying to steal her away so I would counteract immediately.
Author:  l oasis l [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:03 pm ]
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"I really like how you are trying to pick her up but you make some basic mistakes. You should touch her more. Any guy with a bit of experience with women should know this. Grab her arm a bit, throw some arm around her, ... ", now he can't use kino anymore so I crippled his game. Moreover, I made him look like he hasn't any experience with women so bye bye preselection.
I really like this

but the part about leaving her only works in a club scenario, if im not mistaken, they were on a date at a bar, most likely sitting at a table alone. If he was to stand up, and walk away, it would look like he just cant handle another guy hitting on his girl, and storms off. Plus this amog was a pua, so he could easily take advantage of a situation like that.
Author:  DonPua [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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but the part about leaving her only works in a club scenario, if im not mistaken, they were on a date at a bar, most likely sitting at a table alone. If he was to stand up, and walk away, it would look like he just cant handle another guy hitting on his girl, and storms off. Plus this amog was a pua, so he could easily take advantage of a situation like that.
I am not sure about that. If you are on a date with a girl and a PUA comes in it might be a bad idea to get up and open other sets. A better thing would be to just get up, take your coat and leave the bar. I would expect her to stop interacting with the PUA, ask where you are going and follow you outside because the reason she was there in the first place is you. Inside the bar you come up with a credible excuse to leave the bar like "A friend of mine just texted me to pay him a visit in another bar". Once you are outside you can just tell her "I needed to get out there. I was ashamed to be seen with that guy dressed like a homeless."
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