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Author:  almost [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:24 am ]
Post subject:  Is it worth risking a flake to get a kiss close?
as you may or may not know, some PUAs argue that kiss closing increases the rate of flaking and thus it is avoided, instead opting for the simple # close.
The reason for this is because women (like men) have buyers remorse, a form of backwards realisation. They are in a different emotional state and therfore see an action they previously did differently. (their buying temperature has changed)

I am after opinions whether people believe it is worth going for the kiss close.
You may wish to add your preferred method of closing.
Author:  JSmooth [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it worth risking a flake to get a kiss close?
Quote:
as you may or may not know, some PUAs argue that kiss closing increases the rate of flaking and thus it is avoided, instead opting for the simple # close.
The reason for this is because women (like men) have buyers remorse, a form of backwards realisation. They are in a different emotional state and therfore see an action they previously did differently. (their buying temperature has changed)

I am after opinions whether people believe it is worth going for the kiss close.
You may wish to add your preferred method of closing.
Typically, my pattern follows building attraction, going into comfort, kiss close, then a good 15 minutes more of comfort before getting the number if time permits, while also setting up a day 2. In this case you have built attraction, escalated, then established a good amount of rapport before gaining a #, then asking for a date on the spot. :)

Those circumstances are ideal and mostly apply to night game. If there is not enough time to lets say build that much rapport then yes I will not kiss close and just focus on getting her comfortable iwith me as possible before getting her number.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:56 pm ]
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The way I see it might be too simplistic, but the kino escalation / comfort scale is a ladder. You work your way up from a pat on the shoulder to sex via increasingly sexual touching. Whereas some touching could easily be between friends (you're still low down on the ladder) a k-close seals that you are definitely not in the friend zone. I think that the higher up the ladder you are when you get the number, the less likely it is to be flakey because the more likely it is she will remember you in a positive way from the last time you met. Therefore, I'll always try to k-close, and number close only if there's some logistical situation and she absolutely has to leave, or I have to leave for some reason.
Author:  almost [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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I see the case of kclose vs no-kclose as this. No-Kclose represents indirect game, She is less likely to reject you straight away/flake on D2 because you have not triggered her ASD by telegraphing your intent (she feels you could be wanting to form any type of relationship). This is good because:
It is a form of PLAUSIBLE deniability (she can backwards rationalise to herself that you were just friends and something happened).

That is my opinion. kisses are lame anyway.

edit: Jsmooth, are you saying pump the buying temperature (her emotional state) by kiss closing which ultimately helps setting up d2? If so her BT is always going to drop off and later when she is in a FAR less emotionally hyped up state she may think very differently.

edit2: friend zone shmend zone, seriously I have never had a problem with LJBF I dont know why it happens to people? I have lots of girl-friends but they are of my own choosing. The ladder idea is something similar to what i see (hence why americans adopted the bases) but I see climbing up that ladder as a WAY for her ASD to kick in particularly if you havent stayed in comfort for long enough.
Author:  TheJ [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:59 pm ]
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It's all about getting her to invest. She is a lot more invested in a guy she kissed, then the other way around. With a kclose you also avoid the friend zone.
Author:  maninquestion [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:26 pm ]
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Does it depend on your current goals? Like I'm just getting started, and working different routines and trying different approaches. I'm working on the whole package at the same time, but that's my focus. Lol, Grandpa always said, "How do you eat an elephant? one bite at a time."

So in my situation, 2nd dates and such aren't that important. I'm letting the kissing and follow up come naturally. (which is why it isn't happening much...)

I guess my current closing would be applying a time constraint, adding some keno (at least a hug, sometimes a kiss on the cheek, etc.. depends on how it feels), and then asking for a number in some way. I like, for now, "What steps can I take to make sure I get to see you again?"

Unless this post was meant for seasoned PUA's. and not noobs. Then eff me, and i'll just listen :lol:
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