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Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Another night of LMR
Full field report of my first night with this girl is here:

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Second night (saturday), I texted her saying I was around the same area we first met, wasn't sure if I was gonna go out. She texts me twice back and calls to ask if I want to meet her. I think this is so definitely on.

She ditches her friends at a club and comes out to meet me (again, I'm thinking this is so definitely on). We goto another club, get some drinks, dance. I make sure to kino plow from the start, and get the k-close on the dancefloor in 5-10 minutes after we get there.

When we're off the dancefloor just talking, I sometimes open sets around us, like when we're playing this roulette game they have, I open the 3-set of HBs who are playing and have a good time with them. I wanted to see if this girl might get jealous and start trying to win me over more. She basically just went quiet, let me talk to them (I did make introductions and everything) and then waited till we were alone again before talking. Didn't think I created much of a jealousy plotline...

She was totally cool getting a cab back to mine, and I assumed that tonight was definitely the night. We went back, kissed, etc. I picked her up and literally carried her to the bedroom (to avoid any chance of her resisting) and we were on the bed. She said "not tonight." I said "ok, we'll see." I got my shirt off, and although we were clearly escalating, she wouldn't let me take her dress off. I did a freeze out, went to my computer to change the music, came back a couple of minutes later, started a pillow fight, grabbed her, started again. Got the dress off eventually. "Not tonight" she says again. "We'll see" I reply. Long story short this continued until all clothes were painstakingly removed. EVERY step was a struggle. She wouldn't let me touch her anywhere or take off anything without me getting her really aroused first and then doing it slyly while she was too turned on or her hands were too distracted to stop me, otherwise she would.

I managed to finger her through her panties until she was really aroused, but as soon as I went to finally slip them off, she held on tight. Finally got the panties off but still she wouldn't let me. After a long time of fighting her every step of the way on this, I finally got too tired and we slept, once again, without ever having sex.

I DON'T FUCKING GET IT. She says she likes it, she says she wants it, but she keeps stopping me, saying not tonight, and it's starting to go from her playing hard to get and making it an exciting challenge to really pissing me off.

I'm wondering at this point whether she's even worth this kind of effort. I also don't know whether I went wrong somewhere and allowed her to get us into the frame of her controlling her sexuality as a bargaining tool to control me, giving her too much power. Not sure how to flip this back the other way.

Before you say it, I OF COURSE am still going out gaming other women, I haven't fallen in love with this cockteasing bitch, but I feel like I should be able to overcome this challenge, and it can only give me useful experience to help overcome LMR in the future.

ANY advice much appreciated.
Author:  TheLastWolf [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:52 pm ]
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Despite what some people will tell you, some girls will only have sex in a committed relationship, especially if they really like you.
Author:  DonPua [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:37 am ]
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I listened to a tape of RSD once and there was this Spanish guy I think from Barcelona and he claimed that he never has to deal with LMR. His trick is to behave like a girl himself. So he starts off like you are and then he stops and says "This is going to fast. We better slow down.". I think it must have something to do with their evolutionary protecting mechanism. If a guy shows too much interest in having sex her mechanism will start protecting her because this guy has a high probability of just having sex with her and then walk away. If you are less forward and say you are moving too fast it might make sense that the girl doesn't has LMR because she feels like you aren't just trying to get into her pants, make her pregnant and leave off.
Author:  almost [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:14 am ]
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I have two possible solutions to this problem, The first really isnt a solution:
is it possible that she is not sleeping with you because she knows you are a player? Style experienced this type of LMR when he told his girls that he was a PUA and EVEN HE could not overcome this. The good news was that after a while the girls eventually gave in AND they had sex d3-4.

the second I suspect is more likely to be the case. And i truely believe this will help. An extract from decibels 2009 PUA guide:
LMR #4: She’s Prudish
This LMR has little to do with typical anti-slut defense and more to do
with her lack of sexual experience and prudish nature. Some girls, no
matter how tight your game is, will simply not hook up with you the
first night. Because of their lack of sexual experience and introverted
personalities, these girls are overly self-conscious and take longer to
get out of their comfort zone. A typical HB party girl will rarely fall into
this category, as they’ve had enough social interaction and sexual
experience that they are comfortable. On the other hand, a young girl
that you met in the library might fall into this category. She has fewer
guys hitting on her and is still not fully comfortable around the
opposite sex.
Strategy to Overcome: Build Deep Rapport and Mix with Kino
Difficulty Level: Hard

Stay in comfort as long as possible with these girls and build a lot of
rapport. Go heavy on the routines and cold reads. Go light with kino
at first and then slowly build it up. Mix the kino in with your routines; if
you touch her when she is having an emotional realization, it will be
ingrained in her subconscious and she will feel more comfortable
around you. Ultimately, this probably won’t be enough, and she won’t
sleep with you for the same reasons that your high school girlfriend
made you wait 6 months; she’s just not comfortable getting physical.
One more warning: do not push too hard! If you do too much to bring
a girl out of her sexual comfort zone, she’ll be gone forever. It’s your
job to heed the warning signs and decide when to shut down and
wait for another night.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:01 pm ]
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Quote:
I listened to a tape of RSD once and there was this Spanish guy I think from Barcelona and he claimed that he never has to deal with LMR. His trick is to behave like a girl himself. So he starts off like you are and then he stops and says "This is going to fast. We better slow down.". I think it must have something to do with their evolutionary protecting mechanism. If a guy shows too much interest in having sex her mechanism will start protecting her because this guy has a high probability of just having sex with her and then walk away. If you are less forward and say you are moving too fast it might make sense that the girl doesn't has LMR because she feels like you aren't just trying to get into her pants, make her pregnant and leave off.
This is brilliant, thanks!
Author:  carlos vibe [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Wow just relax dude!
Listen your rushing the shit too fast.. I can tell by your writting your all about go go go! try to slow slow slow..

When i meet a girl i will tell her I don't kiss in 5 days.. i don't fool around in 10 days.. i don't have sex till 60 days..

If u set this up! She will think ur not every other guy!!! U need to seperate ur self from any other guy thats why u keep getting LMR!..

All this rules I had to give her .. I break them one by one.. date 1 i just cuddle oh well!.. date 2... the tention so high that kiss gonna happen... u might get scored on fingering blowjob or sex at this point..

U need to make the girl think she's not making any mistake ...

Add me on facebook carlos vibe

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Author:  DonPua [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:46 pm ]
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Quote:
Quote:
I listened to a tape of RSD once and there was this Spanish guy I think from Barcelona and he claimed that he never has to deal with LMR. His trick is to behave like a girl himself. So he starts off like you are and then he stops and says "This is going to fast. We better slow down.". I think it must have something to do with their evolutionary protecting mechanism. If a guy shows too much interest in having sex her mechanism will start protecting her because this guy has a high probability of just having sex with her and then walk away. If you are less forward and say you are moving too fast it might make sense that the girl doesn't has LMR because she feels like you aren't just trying to get into her pants, make her pregnant and leave off.
This is brilliant, thanks!
You are welcome. By the way, that guy claims he has a bunch of one-night stands because of this technique.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:41 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
LMR #4: She’s Prudish
This LMR has little to do with typical anti-slut defense and more to do
with her lack of sexual experience and prudish nature. Some girls, no
matter how tight your game is, will simply not hook up with you the
first night. Because of their lack of sexual experience and introverted
personalities, these girls are overly self-conscious and take longer to
get out of their comfort zone. A typical HB party girl will rarely fall into
this category, as they’ve had enough social interaction and sexual
experience that they are comfortable. On the other hand, a young girl
that you met in the library might fall into this category. She has fewer
guys hitting on her and is still not fully comfortable around the
opposite sex.
Strategy to Overcome: Build Deep Rapport and Mix with Kino
Difficulty Level: Hard

Stay in comfort as long as possible with these girls and build a lot of
rapport. Go heavy on the routines and cold reads. Go light with kino
at first and then slowly build it up. Mix the kino in with your routines; if
you touch her when she is having an emotional realization, it will be
ingrained in her subconscious and she will feel more comfortable
around you. Ultimately, this probably won’t be enough, and she won’t
sleep with you for the same reasons that your high school girlfriend
made you wait 6 months; she’s just not comfortable getting physical.
One more warning: do not push too hard! If you do too much to bring
a girl out of her sexual comfort zone, she’ll be gone forever. It’s your
job to heed the warning signs and decide when to shut down and
wait for another night.
This could be it. However the thing is she's totally comfortable with the kino, which I escalated pretty quickly on the day 2, all the way to the k-close. Are you saying I need to take a step backwards and build more comfort on day 3, whilst continuing kino escalation?
Author:  almost [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:37 pm ]
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Decibel didn't rate this as hard for no reason. You are genuinely going to need to step up your game for this girl. Go REALLY heavy with comfort, for an extended period and escalate ACCORDINGLY. Having kino levels higher than the level of comfort is game over for prudish girls, they respect your gentlemenly touch and a man who knows their boundaries. (have you ever seen a girl get annoyed at a cock block or amog who doesn't know these kino boundaries?). How much time did you spend with her on your most recent day?

NO amount of freezeouts/sly moves can turn a girl you simply have not built enough comfort with, this is especially the case for quieter girls.
Author:  kasabi [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wow just relax dude!
Quote:
When i meet a girl i will tell her I don't kiss in 5 days.. i don't fool around in 10 days.. i don't have sex till 60 days..
. . . Hey, this is my game! LOL . . . Well, you really don't need to exaggerate it that much. Girls aren't stupid. You want this "delayed sex" game to be something that's somewhat plausible. You tell them 60 days and it could sound like a total joke.

You tell them, "3rd date" and it seems somewhat like a joke . . . somewhat possible . . . somewhat logical . . . It's not something that's so far in the future that it seems impossible, nor is it something that's so close in the future that could make her nervous.
Author:  Luciiz [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:07 pm ]
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Ehhh I don't believe any of the crap in this thread.

If you're kissing, escalating and comfortable with each other, and she's still being totally frigid, to the point of sleeping in the same bed with you but not doing anything, then there's a) Something wrong with you and attraction b) Something wrong with her.

No girl I've been with has given LMR on the second night.

I say ditch her and go for a girl whos MORE FUN
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:46 pm ]
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Quote:
No girl I've been with has given LMR on the second night.

I say ditch her and go for a girl whos MORE FUN
Me neither! But that's what makes this such a CHALLENGE!
Author:  bigimot [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:32 pm ]
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I know this might come out as totally stupid but the way you describe it, it looks like you aren't really trying to make love to her but rape her :roll:
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