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Author:  Froot Loop [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  I stayed Alpha, now I could use some day game advice
Hello all. Any input/critiques/advice would be really helpful for this newb. Hope you guys don't hate details, lol.

So, I was reading up about body language, postuer, maintaining Alpha status, etc....and I think I applied it pretty well in Spanish class today. I did a little a subtle peacocking that seemed appropriate for day game at Community College. Wore a decent pair of khaki shorts, a tan silk/linen button up shirt with with a subtle cream colored palm leaf print. I left the the shirt unbuttoned with a T underneath, and threw an necklace with a little industrial style to it, and a silver watch with a blue face I've gotten lots of compliments on (plus my always present industrial ear piercing...the "skewed through ear cartilage type). I think the unbuttoned palm shirt made me look relaxed an easy going, kind of like I was on vacation.

I came into the classroom a little late on purpose. Entered the room smiling (I just pretended everyone was waiting for me as I walked in. It seemed to put the right expression and vibe on.) Got checked out by several of the females in class. The seat near the door in the back was right behind this really cute HB7 brunette. I was on the watch for IOI's, and saw some eye contact from several. I just kept telling myself, "All the women in this room want you. You own this room. You are the Alpha. Even the instructor better step aside. It's my room". I think I managed to convince myself pretty well. I went with the cocky/funny approach. It worked really well. Second chick, average brunette, maybe a 6, came in after me and sat in front of me next to HB7. She was IOI'ing pretty strong. We moved into conversation groups. HB6 asked me to work with her (are 6's HB's?), HB7 turns right around to work with me, and married dude in the corner joins us. Seems perfect to this newb!! I managed to be funnier than usual, which was nice. Married dude commented on how I was funny. Had good banter with HB7. I reminded myself to put some attention into the 6 to get some jealousy plot going. Not sure if it was effective. We played 20 questions in Spanish. I lucked out and guessed that the prof. was thinking of Shakira right away. Everyone had a good laugh at that. Then, he said, "Your turn to think of something while guess". My response was, "OK, so you mark the guesses down while a run the whole show from back here? Ok, great. You got it". The class laughed, this also seemed like an Alpha posture. Showed confidence and even cast the prof. as Beta to me. We played 20 questions in our small groups, and ran this whole subplot about me being psychic. Kept that going a little. Told HB7 brunette, I would "send" what I was thinking of to her brain. Put my finger to my temple and pretended to sen her psychic thoughts. She laughed, but I might have messed up the eye contact. She got uncomfortable looked down, and said, "Uh oh, you better try someone else." Kept being funny. I got the slight sense she might be seeing me as try-hard, so I toned it way down, and just stayed Alpha in posture and attitude. She kept asking me what certain words meant, that sort of thing. Married dude, like a champ, suggest we form a 4 person study group!

Some basic thoughts: I didn't throw any negs (that I can think of). Should have put more attention into brunette 6. I feel I did a good job building some attraction. Even had a little lingerie joke with HB7 (she might be an 8 to most, I tend to underate caucasian chicks, I prefer exotic types). Were to go from now? I am not good at negs and putting focus away from the target to create some jealousy. Sorry for the lengthy post, my excitement level is just pretty high right now :) . Guidance please.
Author:  SLeven [ Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:36 am ]
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Sounded like you did a pretty decent job. So, since this is a class where you will be seeing these same people often, its a good chance to build comfort in every class and get to know our target. However, because you will be so often seeing your target, its important that you dont wait too long to get together with your target outside of class to avoid getting stuck in the friend zone or as her friend from class. I suggest sitting within close proximity of her again next class, and build some more comfort like you seemed to do before. You also might want to set up a date or something with her soon.
Author:  Froot Loop [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:10 am ]
Post subject:  Thanks for the reply
Thanks for the reply SLeven.

I definitely hear what you are saying about avoiding the friend-zone.

Should I be moving right to asking her out on a date? Should I be focusing on trying to get her to qualify herself to me more first? If so, what's a good technique to do this in a classroom/on-campus setting?

Also, what type of social environment should I be looking for if I set up a "date"? From a lot of my reading, I thought the object was not to jump right into "dates", but rather set up non-date social interaction, and basically demonstrate to her that she needs to join my world (so to speak), and that wherever I am, that's the place to be.

My instinct is to just ask her out, pay for the date, etc, etc......but isn't that an AFC move? This is all new to me so I'm just trying to get my head around what I should change in my thinking and approach.
Author:  Ethan Hewitt [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:50 am ]
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Froot loop, sounds to me like you've got the initial approach and mid game pretty much locked down. That's a great start and gives you something to build upon.

How about any kino escalation though, negs take work, they seem wrong at times and you will want to consider how many you throw out based upon a woman's rating. Thus a 6/7 may only need one, whereas a 9/10 may need 2/3 or more.

As for setting up a day 2/date, try to build a timebridge like a dating loop, you're setting the date to meet her again. But the date should not make her the event. Instead you should be going about your normal day to day activities and she is tagging along with you. Thus a guy should consider a mundane activity for a day 2. I get the sense that you're aware of this already. So set it up and away you go.

Finally, just remember how how vital kino escalating is in this field. Without it, you're going to come up to some huge obstacles when it comes to going for the first kiss or setting up dates. If you've got it going on then it makes your life much more easier in moving from stage to stage.

There's a lot of material on this area from people like Mystery and Di Carlo'a Esacalation ladder.
Author:  Froot Loop [ Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:33 am ]
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As for setting up a day 2/date, try to build a timebridge like a dating loop, you're setting the date to meet her again.
Not sure if I have this concept so well. I will search the forum. I assume it's around.
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But the date should not make her the event. Instead you should be going about your normal day to day activities and she is tagging along with you. Thus a guy should consider a mundane activity for a day 2.
OK, great. That puts things in the right perspective. She is not the event. Something mundane. Do you have any favorite types of things that you like to go with?

Appreciate the help.
Author:  SLeven [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:47 am ]
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Its doesnt really matter where you go. Just go somewhere that YOU like to go and she will tag along. for example, since i play hockey, im very good at ice skating so i would say to a girl, "i was planning on going ice skating sometime if you want to come along." notice how you are saying it as if your going to go and have a good time with or without her. If you like to golf, say your going to a driving range etc..
Author:  Froot Loop [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:30 am ]
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SLeven,

Makes sense. Thanks.
Author:  Froot Loop [ Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:26 am ]
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There's a lot of material on this area from people like Mystery and Di Carlo'a Esacalation ladder.
Just read DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder online. Thanks for the tip. A lot of it was stuff I do already, but in a number of cases I have been violating some of the guidelines he lays out. I definitely see that I need to think kino a LOT earlier on. Seeing something systematized really gives you a whole new perspective.
Author:  eskwire [ Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:43 am ]
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It's good that you're really thinking, but you might be getting a little too strategic. Remember to be yourself and have fun when you are out.

You don't need to use negs in the situation you are in at all. You said you were alfa, that means you are the dominate person and the girls are submissive to you. Negs are only to dispel the girls notion that she is superior to you, and to even out the playing field. [for example - if you're picking up on a really cute girl in a bar who is dressed sexy and you can tell she thinks she is hot, then a neg is used to bring her down to your level.] I the classroom setting the neg has no application.

Also, you should get the number of your target. If you share a class you can be casual "Hey, let me get your number, just in case I miss a class, so I can find out what I missed". Then text her, and if she responds set up a day-2; see if she will do something with you after class.

Good luck!
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