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Author:  fatboyrunfat [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:47 am ]
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What are typical topics or questions that an AFC talk about to a women which should be avoided? As i wanna try and avoid walking into that trapp
Author:  lordica [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:52 am ]
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political views, religious views, money, sexism, racism, etc.
Author:  Hopeless Romantic [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:26 pm ]
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asking the girl a lot of questions thereby putting her in interview mode
Author:  white_knight [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:23 pm ]
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-giving undeserved compliments while trying to attract her (not during sex or kissing)...
ex...
"You would look better without make-up"

-any pick-up line you would find on non-PUA sites

-emptying your religious and political opinions on her

-correcting her simple grammar mistakes
Author:  Incubus69 [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:51 pm ]
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When talking with a girl - only say vague answers. This will make you viewed as mysterious and there for sexy in her eyes! LOL! :) If the woman can't know alot about u thens he'll be more willing to know you.

Also, topics you should stay away is about the boring life you and her live in. Like for example, "How's the weather?" also, bragging about something this will turn the woman off immediately.

Also, most AFC do the following behaviors:

1) Brag about how awesome they are which they're not.
2) Try to impress the girl by acting all tough, or showing the woman that you're intelligent.
3) Be over sensitive at times which makes it seem ur not confident with urself.
4) Follow their friends and don't stand up for themselves.
5) Don't flirt because they think it's wrong and sinful.

Amongs others that are not listed. The topics you may want to avoid is like what someone said, "Religion, Politics, Sexism, Racism, and other shit"

Strike up an interesting conversaiton that something's that interesting to you and her. If you notice that her day sucks or she's in a bad mood. Striking something that's with humour usually helps. Humour + interesting = Fun! :)

Also, why I'm not specific about interesting topics is because it's different with other people and what works for them might not work for others.
Author:  Solomon II [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:40 am ]
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-giving undeserved compliments while trying to attract her (not during sex or kissing)...

-any pick-up line you would find on non-PUA sites
You can compliment a woman all you want. It's all down to your frame... if you do it in a supplicatory way, then of course it's a bad idea. You don't compliment a woman because you want to make her like you, that's what AFCs do and that's why we suggest avoiding it. It is a different case altogether if you don't see her as being higher value just because she's attractive. If you aren't a complete pussy and can give a woman a compliment with confidence, by all means do. Here's the deal, and I've said this a million times. She either likes you or she doesn't... you should assume she likes you anyway, compliment her in a laid back fashion simply because you find her attractive and want to set the tone. That way you either get shit rolling the way you want it right away or you get to move along to the next girl. After all if she doesn't like you, by not making your intentions clear early on you're just gonna waste more time.
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5) Don't flirt because they think it's wrong and sinful.
I'm not even gonna comment on this, are you serious? For the love of god.
Author:  Incubus69 [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:44 am ]
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Solomen -- I'm right because most men are scared to flirt because of the past people said that flirting is bad. Or that women don't like flirting. Like my brother. He said some women like it some women don't. But the thing is that all women like it. So :P
Author:  white_knight [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:18 am ]
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I have to disagree with your view of compliments, Solomon. You do not pay a compliment to a girl to see if she likes you or not. A good PUA will not let her have the option of deciding if she likes you. That is the point of pick up, because many guys on this board are not as appealing to the eyes as others and cannot afford to let her think about it. (not saying that I'm not good-looking, I'm a stud. (; )

I believe that if you pay a sincere compliment like the one I listed during the attraction phase even with a solid and confident frame, the girl will feel obligated to say "well, thanks... youuu haaave very nice skin too." and the attraction you created will stale out for that awkward moment.

I believe a compliment is fine if you have already built up enough attraction and are about to start making out or something along the lines of that, but anytime else, it is not recommended.
Author:  Solomon II [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:34 am ]
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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Awkward silences only happen if you let them... you're saying that you pay a woman a compliment only to expect one back. That is not the purpose. I will compliment her in a fun way so as to send mixed messages - I don't want a reaction from her, and I certainly don't want her to feel obligated to compliment me back. All I want to do is make her wonder if I find her attractive or not, it's a way of eliciting IOIs from her before showing actual interest. You're still playing it safe... you're just eliciting IOIs from her in a different way. In short, compliments are to be delivered with confidence, a half-serious way, and in passing so as to avoid being reaction-seeking. It's pretty much what I broke down in my last article... this is just a watered down explanation.
Author:  white_knight [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:50 am ]
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I am still confused as to your post. I just find it hard to believe that a compliment can take place before showing actual interest, when a compliment is showing direct interest. I have a hunch that we are talking about two different types of compliments here and have two types of girls in mind (I'm not out of high school yet, so the girls I game might be different depending on how old you are), and that is why this isn't really going anywhere. Can you provide an example where you paid a compliment successfully using quotes?


Also, I do not pay compliments to get a compliment back. That would not be my intent. I just believe that it is natural for a girl to feel like she has to say a compliment back.
Author:  Solomon II [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:08 am ]
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You're right, it is natural for them to feel they need to return it. That's the point of not seeking that reaction though... you compliment her and continue with whatever you were gonna talk about. It avoids that awkward silence you mentioned, and if she does go back to your compliment, it is an IOI.

To clear up the confusion, I am not talking about sincere compliments. What I'm referring to is passive remarks to do with her appearance or what she's wearing - it does convey interest, but because you're laid back and delivering it in a fun, casual way without seeking a reaction, it sends mixed messages and the only way for her to find out if you're actually into her is to show her interest towards you... if she has any, that is.
Author:  Bonita [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:11 am ]
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When talking with a girl - only say vague answers. This will make you viewed as mysterious and there for sexy in her eyes! LOL! :) If the woman can't know alot about u thens he'll be more willing to know you.

I disagree with this. If you give vague answers she might lose interest. You want to develop rapport, you want to make her feel so comfortable with you like she has known you forever! And then...you want a rapport breaker (a sexual, slightly forward comment that shows your intent so you dont get placed in the friends zone). But if you don't establish comfort with her, then you aren't going to get far with her (relationship wise)...if sex is all you want, then you need to establish comfort, but it doesn't have to be a deep rappot...rather it needs to be a sexually charged rapport (verbally or through body language). Either way, being vague all the time is not the answer. I mean, if she asks you if you play any sports or whatever, you are going to look like a jerk if you don't answer her or just say "yes."

As far as the compliments go, there is such thing as over-complimenting if done in a supplicating manner. Compliments need to be timely and meaningful. The more you say something, the more it loses its value. But when timed right, a compliment does not lower your stature. You should compliment her...but only when she deserves a compliment. You shouldn't withhold compliments just to maintain power and you shouldn't give compliments because you want her to compliment you. So as long as the compliment is timely and well-deserved, I see nothing wrong with them. But over-complimenting when it is not warranted will get her annoyed.[/quote]
Author:  Bonita [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:21 am ]
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You're right, it is natural for them to feel they need to return it. That's the point of not seeking that reaction though... you compliment her and continue with whatever you were gonna talk about. It avoids that awkward silence you mentioned, and if she does go back to your compliment, it is an IOI.

To clear up the confusion, I am not talking about sincere compliments. What I'm referring to is passive remarks to do with her appearance or what she's wearing - it does convey interest, but because you're laid back and delivering it in a fun, casual way without seeking a reaction, it sends mixed messages and the only way for her to find out if you're actually into her is to show her interest towards you... if she has any, that is.
But I do understand what Solomon is saying and I have had this happen to me before. He means if we are just sitting there talking he would say something like "god damn you know I'm trying to concentrate on what you're saying but i cant stop looking at your top, that thing is sexy as hell... go get changed or something then we can get back to talking again" (got that example directly from him). But then you go right back into normal convo. It will work...if she is interested in you, that comment will get her wondering whether or not you are interested in her so she will throw out IOIs to test her hypothesis...so if you are getting IOIs after that you know she picked up on it and is into you.

A little different senario but generally the same concept. When I discussed this with him I originally just labeled it flirting rather than a compliment, but indeed, it is a compliment.
Author:  white_knight [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:40 am ]
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Bonita and Solomon, that makes things much clearer. This is not my style, but I can see it working if you know you have the upper hand, as Solomon said. However, I doubt that this can work multiple times in a conversation. Just keep in mind that this is the newbie section because they (and I lol) might take it differently.
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