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I would like to discuss what you say about new stuff xman. I will have to agree, but think that the cause is our own. As a community of guys who were afcs we have kept many of our past afc behaviors and keep very much to ourselves. The general population has very little concept of what a pua is and sees us as a near cult that wants to dehumanize women because of our inability to focus on spreading our views from outside of the community.

I believe that we aren't focusing on enough avenues of improving ourselves. Most of the community focuses on the avenues improvement that have to deal with women and improving our abilities to converse, however we miss many other important areas that would improve our abilities to attract women. We are not open to new views because we have closed ourselves off to things outside of ourselves for improvement. Therefore you have a bunch of guys telling a bunch of other guys what's best and a few gurus that most community members basically worship. A new idea must come from these gurus. Instead of thinking on their own most community members blindly follow what these gurus say just because the gurus say their method of doing things is best. This is caused because the gurus are said to have done more approaches or have met more women. While this makes them somewhat credible, it stifles our abilities to question and judge things and learn things for ourselves and it decreases innovation and new ideas significantly. There are no new things because guys refuse to take the role of a leader and question the way things are and instead just follow what some other guy says would be best for them. It's no wonder I find that the majority of guys in the community still aren't getting what they want from women. What works best for some "guru" may not be the best thing for them and without the ability to question and observe what works for them their only choice is to blindly follow.

I think the problem lies in our inability to question things for ourselves. The community instead of teaching quick fix patterns and routines should instead teach how to judge and question in a way that they can find the answers for themselves instead of becoming dependent upon some forum or guru for answers. At times a person needs help and I understand that, but the amount of questions being posed on forums such as this that are the result of a guys inability to judge a situation for himself and try what outcome seems best is ridiculous. In order to change the community we must take action and change the way that the community is teaching.

Wow so that was generally unrelated to this post I believe it is things that should be more talked about though, so you can move it if you like.

Author:	Ace_high [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:	secret PUA forums
I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this question, but since im still a newbie here i go anyways. Is there a few secret internet forums where only a select group of PUA's post and if so how do you get access to it?

Author:	jayttanner [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:14 pm ]
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Haha. Maybe you should start one. I don't know of anything like that. I would assume that if a 'secret' forum existed you would have to be invited, and sworn to secrecy. If everyone new about it, it wouldn't be a much of a secret now would it?

Author:	anutharound [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:24 pm ]
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There are I know of at least 3. Most are the better guys in a lair or on a board that discuss more advanced techniques. No one that's on them is really going to tell you much because most these groups are secret for a reason.

Author:	vitaminc [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:26 pm ]
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why do you want to join a "secret" forum? i think this forum here would most probably have all the info those "secret" forums have, maybe even more.

Author:	high school pua [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:37 pm ]
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There are secret forums with very small communities, i found one on youtube

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Author:	xfman [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:23 pm ]
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First rule of Fight Club... You don't talk about Fight Club. --------------------------- Well there are a lot of "secret" forums and private forums, like the mystery lounge, and so on... }You get access by being a mpua or a good pua or going to a seminar... in some cases. In my opinion you don't need to belong to one, especially if you are a new guy. Why you want to learn the advance techniques, first learn the basics and when you master them then you will understand almost everything. Something I want to tell all of you guys ...!! There is no new stuff in the community, I have been around here for two years and most of the time you will see there is no new stuff, everything is based in the same principles. Maybe once in a while someone comes with a new concept or something new, but most of the stuff out there is the same... but maybe adapted, so don't worry if your not in one of those groups... maybe when you start learning more and more I could invite you to my secret forum....

Author:	Mr. Fickle [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:33 am ]
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Quote: First rule of Fight Club... You don't talk about Fight Club. xfman so your not invited to the secret forums either.... bummer.

Author:	anutharound [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:38 am ]
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I would like to discuss what you say about new stuff xman. I will have to agree, but think that the cause is our own. As a community of guys who were afcs we have kept many of our past afc behaviors and keep very much to ourselves. The general population has very little concept of what a pua is and sees us as a near cult that wants to dehumanize women because of our inability to focus on spreading our views from outside of the community. I believe that we aren't focusing on enough avenues of improving ourselves. Most of the community focuses on the avenues improvement that have to deal with women and improving our abilities to converse, however we miss many other important areas that would improve our abilities to attract women. We are not open to new views because we have closed ourselves off to things outside of ourselves for improvement. Therefore you have a bunch of guys telling a bunch of other guys what's best and a few gurus that most community members basically worship. A new idea must come from these gurus. Instead of thinking on their own most community members blindly follow what these gurus say just because the gurus say their method of doing things is best. This is caused because the gurus are said to have done more approaches or have met more women. While this makes them somewhat credible, it stifles our abilities to question and judge things and learn things for ourselves and it decreases innovation and new ideas significantly. There are no new things because guys refuse to take the role of a leader and question the way things are and instead just follow what some other guy says would be best for them. It's no wonder I find that the majority of guys in the community still aren't getting what they want from women. What works best for some "guru" may not be the best thing for them and without the ability to question and observe what works for them their only choice is to blindly follow. I think the problem lies in our inability to question things for ourselves. The community instead of teaching quick fix patterns and routines should instead teach how to judge and question in a way that they can find the answers for themselves instead of becoming dependent upon some forum or guru for answers. At times a person needs help and I understand that, but the amount of questions being posed on forums such as this that are the result of a guys inability to judge a situation for himself and try what outcome seems best is ridiculous. In order to change the community we must take action and change the way that the community is teaching. Wow so that was generally unrelated to this post I believe it is things that should be more talked about though, so you can move it if you like.

Author:	Brenoporra [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:14 am ]
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Quote: I would like to discuss what you say about new stuff xman. I will have to agree, but think that the cause is our own. As a community of guys who were afcs we have kept many of our past afc behaviors and keep very much to ourselves. The general population has very little concept of what a pua is and sees us as a near cult that wants to dehumanize women because of our inability to focus on spreading our views from outside of the community. I believe that we aren't focusing on enough avenues of improving ourselves. Most of the community focuses on the avenues improvement that have to deal with women and improving our abilities to converse, however we miss many other important areas that would improve our abilities to attract women. We are not open to new views because we have closed ourselves off to things outside of ourselves for improvement. Therefore you have a bunch of guys telling a bunch of other guys what's best and a few gurus that most community members basically worship. A new idea must come from these gurus. Instead of thinking on their own most community members blindly follow what these gurus say just because the gurus say their method of doing things is best. This is caused because the gurus are said to have done more approaches or have met more women. While this makes them somewhat credible, it stifles our abilities to question and judge things and learn things for ourselves and it decreases innovation and new ideas significantly. There are no new things because guys refuse to take the role of a leader and question the way things are and instead just follow what some other guy says would be best for them. It's no wonder I find that the majority of guys in the community still aren't getting what they want from women. What works best for some "guru" may not be the best thing for them and without the ability to question and observe what works for them their only choice is to blindly follow. I think the problem lies in our inability to question things for ourselves. The community instead of teaching quick fix patterns and routines should instead teach how to judge and question in a way that they can find the answers for themselves instead of becoming dependent upon some forum or guru for answers. At times a person needs help and I understand that, but the amount of questions being posed on forums such as this that are the result of a guys inability to judge a situation for himself and try what outcome seems best is ridiculous. In order to change the community we must take action and change the way that the community is teaching. Wow so that was generally unrelated to this post I believe it is things that should be more talked about though, so you can move it if you like. yeah I tought it the other day, to me the point of this things shouldnt be to have online doctors to reply everything we get through with women(still, theres no problem with that, sometimes) but that we should get the point and try to walk with our own legs, so that we don't have to get dependent on this

Author:	Mr. Fickle [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:25 am ]
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anuther0und tell me if i'm headed in the wrronng direction with this. but are you suggesting like niche marketing? like advice and systems dedicated to specific types of women like: girls that dont like cute things, and hate 'chick crack' cheating whores loners strippers already kinda has their niche. party girls hb10's hb8's ect is that where you are headed with this?

Author:	Mr. Fickle [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:26 am ]
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simple systems you can memorize and eventually expand upon on your own. so you dont hve to constantly ask for consultations.

Author:	anutharound [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:41 am ]
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hm, no not niche marketing really. I'm suggesting that people aren't really thinking and acting for themselves as much as they should be. They are accepting whatever the community/their favorite guru feeds them as truth without testing it for themselves. They are radically changing their beliefs, in many cases dropping their own values in order to do so, or at least I know I've done this and have noticed other people doing it especially during my first year or so in the community. It took me a long time to realize that some of the mindsets the community presents are actually holding me back from doing the things that are totally in my value system for example. In order to be the best person you can be it is necessary to follow your virtues even to the point of death if neccessary. 1. we are the prize: While certain people are obviously in positions of higher social stature the choice as an individual to give them higher social stature for mostly superficial things is our own. For example men say "well since women see themselves as beautiful and are used to being hit on by guys they view themselves as the prize. If I adopt this mindset as my own then women will then view me as the prize" While this method of thinking is actually quite effective in my own experience of getting girls once I started thinking about it I am not bettering our situation as humanity as a whole by doing this. I believe that freedom is attained through equality. I am not alone in this view either. Almost all social movements are based on this premise. Martin Luther King believed this, and the many women that finally stood up for themselves through the feminist movement believed this also. I find viewing one person as better than another based on superficial standards ridiculous. Not to say that I never do it because I am in no way perfect, but I do feel that it is wrong. If we viewed each other as equals in all ways then we as men would not place women on the pedastal and nor would women be able to use just their looks to leave guys in awe acting as cowards. Our strength would come from realizing each others strengths and helping others to maximize those and all our abilities.

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