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Author:  BamBam [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:07 am ]
Post subject:  Helping out Afc friends
So ive been wondering this for a very long time, basically let me paint the picture.

A friend and I are walking down the hall at Uni, he sees a girl he finds attractive walking down to the side and behind us and walking much faster. Yet when you try to get him to approach he is unwilling has classic AA.

So this is where you could come in, I don't know if what i did was right but i would like to be able to help my friends out. I basically said sort of loud, " Dude you should talk to her, shes cute!" Made sure she heard and now she catches up to us and amazingly slows her pace and walks like right beside us.

Now what could i do open her? I dont know how that would really be helping all that much. I even told my buddy what he could say, classic opinion opener. yet he still wont talk to her, but shes right beside us and obviously interested in one of us.

Anyways i know many guys have been in that situation where you want to help but you dont actually want to go out and do it all for them. Any ideas ive been put in this spot multiple times and i know opening her doesnt actually doesnt help him out any as it makes him beta.

Ideas? gogogo
Author:  MattJacks [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:19 am ]
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the answer when it comes will help me even. i have some friends who even if i go open they wont. sorta like they are shy of your expectations, and what you will think if they fail.
ill be looking at this thread carefully to try and help my mates. good question
Author:  BamBam [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:43 am ]
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Come on pros help us out, it seems to be a recurring issue
Author:  Brenoporra [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:05 am ]
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man, Ive already gave up trying to help AFCs

each and everyone I tried to help, SIMPLY DONT GET IT

I was shocked when I was in a bar with my friend and said Id pull a conversation with 4 girls asking their opnion on shoes(I made a post for this opener, by the way)
he just looked at me like it was dumb and wouldnt work, when, by the way, he doesnt even have a clue of how to aproach girls
same guy, once I commented how and why we should aproach girls in an indirect manner and he gave me a look like it was bullshit...
and when I was having a perfect convo with the girl I opened, after we left he said to me like I was annoying the girl(envy, maybe?), which Im absolutely sure I didnt

they just think this is not for their kind, and we can do this things just because we are badass, nonsensical or something, or that we annoy the girls by doing that
they preffer kinda putting their trust(and weakness) in the way that worked when they got lucky that a girl actually felt atracted to him... =p
I think in their world there's no such thing as seduction...

after I opened I was talking to my girl, and he tried his luck and started a conversation with one of them, they were both sitting down, not laughing, not smiling, he was probably doing the boring questions routine.. :P

I've officialy gave up trying to help this guys, they know I know about seduction, if they want me to help them, theyll have to beg me
Author:  kloombrh [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:12 am ]
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Truthfully, the pickup lifestyle is only for those who have the drive to learn it. I've tried to help plenty of friends with the psychology of women and how they work, and they tell me it's idiotic and won't work. how unfortunate for them though, i guess i'll have to live a life full of women in my bed :wink:
Author:  BamBam [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:32 am ]
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Itw ould be nice to get them into the set somehow at least because thats their biggest problem always then they can fuck it up all they want. Im just wondering if theres a way to get into a set doing all the work and then somehow making him look slightly less beta lol.
Author:  Plethora [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:43 am ]
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If you are engaged in a two set, then bring him in after a couple routines. Always use a classic accomplishment introduction "Don't embarrass me in front of this guy. He is really cool, his ex was a stripper (yadda yadda yadda)." When he comes in, engage in conversation with him 1 on 1 and then introduce him to the girls. Ask him a leading question so he can talk about himself a bit to the group. Isolate the target and leave him the obstacle when the rapport is high enough in the group (hopefully you give him a decent girl).

If in a one set with a girl, just bring in your friend (with accomplishment intro for sure) and then excuse yourself after he has talked a bit.

If in a 3+ set, bring him in (again with accomplishment intro) and when he comes tell him audibly "doesn't she look exactly like your ex? Amazing no?"

The rest is up to him, you did the best wing job you could.



ps. If you teach him some DHV routines like Style's birthday guessing routine then that would help. Or if you role play and let him come in to your set and blow you out of the water (pretending you don't know each other) and completely out AMoG you, then he will get instant attraction.
Author:  Diamond Smith [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:08 am ]
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If they're your friends..if you have trust..

Perhaps lend them the book and offer them free beers on the weekend if they like what they read. If they've read some and they're interested, you have a couple beers to discuss the community over with your bro.

That's probably your best bet.
Put your heart it, you'll bond even more.
Author:  Reo [ Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:17 am ]
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YOu need Let him read your books and actually tell him about what your learning. Seriously do expect him to get better if he has no knowledge of PUA. Dont sit there like a cocky bastard keeping all the knowledge to yourself. I know that situation quite well
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