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Author:  Praetorius [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:50 am ]
Post subject:  Kino Escalation Rejected?
Hypothetical scenario:

You try to kino escalate or establish kino, but she ain't tryin' to have it. Like, let's say you're near the beginning of the set and the target says something goofy and you're like, "You're so weird and adorable." and then you perform the sort of "side hug" thing. Then let's say she says something along the lines of "What are you doing?" or "Don't touch me," in a way that communicates that she is clearly not kidding.

What do you say in an instance like this?

I know that you should roll off and neg to calibrate by saying like, "Alright, get off me," right after the kino. But what do you say to something like, "Get off me" said in a serious tone?
Author:  Bonita [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:55 am ]
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Hmm...in a serious tone? If that happens, kino might have been initiated too soon before she was comfortable with you. If you are well into the set and this happens I think a neg like "woah girl, don't worry im not trying to hit on you" would be good. because she will wonder why you aren't hitting on her. or maybe try the "im gay" card if you think you can pull it off. i have never encountered that one personally but a lot of guys on here swear by it. good luck!
Author:  Praetorius [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:59 am ]
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a neg like "woah girl, don't worry im not trying to hit on you" would be good.
That sounds like a good one. I just found one like, "Jeeze! Somebody get this girl a rabies shot!" That would be a good one because if you could manage to dig yourself out of the kino disaster, you could always call back to the rabies theme.

Anybody got any other ideas?
Author:  Patience [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:05 am ]
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Hmm, this could work I dunno I'm brainstorming.

Say something along the lines off. "Ok then, go back to your bubble" and immediately close her off from her own group. Position yourself in the center of the group with your back towards her. There is a certain way you can go about this and succeed in making HER set, YOUR set. She will have to find someway back into the group which is most likely going to be pushing you aside and you can say "Whoa, no touching, that costs extra" and go back to being cocky and funny or something.

-Patience
Author:  one4romeo [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:03 pm ]
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Try this - Turn your frown upside down pumpkin. I didnt shit in your handbag and shag your cat. Then work on building comfort and then transition to gaining feedbak by using a Ross Jeffries line - so on a scale of 1 to 10 how comfortable are you feeling right now (he calls this pinging for feedback). If she answeres with anything under 10 then ask her what would make her feel better to make it a 10 but do not supplicate, turn away or look over your shoulder DHV as though you have something important to do.
Author:  Brenoporra [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:08 pm ]
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I hate girls who who thinks they're the last women in the world, who think they can be rude to anyone because she has a pussy.... if a girl acted like this with me I'd just give her the "you really think you're so special, dont you?" look, then say "okay" and leave her alone

if she apologize after, I may talk to her again
if not, then she is just the bitch she made me think she is, and I don't want anything with her

in fact, I've already cut relationship with some girls because of this, and I don't regret a thing :]
Author:  Fraction [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:34 pm ]
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Typically you really shouldn't find yourself in thos position often, if at all. I mean if she's like "get off me", she's CLEARLY very uncomfortable and if you've experienced this, you've gotten some feedback. You're doing something very wrong.

However, even though prevention is the best cure, if you do find yourself in a situation like this. Reframe it on her, "Why do you have cooties?" or something :D

If things don't improve, just eject POLITELY "Pleasure meeting you", don't do it rudely otherwise you'll lower your value.
Author:  Praetorius [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:46 am ]
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Ah! Thanks for the suggestions, guys!
Author:  sorin [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:17 am ]
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If she says in a serious note, you stop it...

Don't touch her from a side like a clown, it makes her feel disrespected...

Touch her sensually and with the right intent... to make her feel good in your presence...

You don't need excuses to touch her... only if you're afraid to touch her of course!
Author:  jurupa [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:05 am ]
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The key in using kino is reading the girls body language. The more open the girl's language is the more open she is to you touching her.
Author:  sorin [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:04 pm ]
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Jurupa is right...

Always pay attention to the way a girl's BODY LANGUAGE CHANGES when you come and talk to her... when you touch her... when you provide a stimulus...

it will give you all the information you need on how to continue...

if not, ask a more experienced friend to observe you and give you feedback on how your bodylanguage was and how her reaction was in her bodylanguage...

this is one of the very valuable feedback i give in coaching and help the student become more aware independently of these things ;)
Author:  Bonita [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:32 pm ]
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I hate girls who who thinks they're the last women in the world, who think they can be rude to anyone because she has a pussy.... if a girl acted like this with me I'd just give her the "you really think you're so special, dont you?" look, then say "okay" and leave her alone

if she apologize after, I may talk to her again
if not, then she is just the bitch she made me think she is, and I don't want anything with her

in fact, I've already cut relationship with some girls because of this, and I don't regret a thing :]
I think that is a little extreme considering the circumstances. I will be the first to admit, yes, there are girls out there that think they are better than everyone and act like it. They need a wake up call. But girls are more vulnerable than guys. We are often taken advantage of or on the wrong side of a power struggle. If trust is not built, she will surely feel like you are just trying to get in her pants and that will put her off. And I can't really imagine a girl apologizing to a guy after he just dissed her like that.

Putting your arm around her is jumping the gun if you haven't touched her arm yet. Try with smaller touches and build up from there. It is much easier to build trust from the start rather than lose it and have to regain it.
Author:  Jazzy_Ways [ Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:41 pm ]
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I hate girls who who thinks they're the last women in the world, who think they can be rude to anyone because she has a pussy.... if a girl acted like this with me I'd just give her the "you really think you're so special, dont you?" look, then say "okay" and leave her alone

if she apologize after, I may talk to her again
if not, then she is just the bitch she made me think she is, and I don't want anything with her

in fact, I've already cut relationship with some girls because of this, and I don't regret a thing :]
Dude, its your fault, not hers, you didnt demonstrate higher value if this happened to you.

This isnt a bad thing, just look back at it in your head, see where you fucked up, and fix it, we all make mistakes, me especially. But the point is if you blame her you will just be a AFC all your life.

These could also be shit tests, best just to ignore it.
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